Educated v. Innate

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The educated brain of man can build a skyscraper out of wood and steel, bricks and mortar. The innate intelligence of the body can make an educated brain cell out of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. In which should our confidence lie?

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  1. Richie Barone 02/21/2013, 8:50 pm:

    ii wins every-time…….

  2. Steve 02/21/2013, 8:54 pm:

    Hey Joe,
    If you’re on the 101st floor, you must have confidence in both. But seriously, without the later you would not have the former….BP&J>BC, ha, that explains a lot.

    • JStraussDC 02/22/2013, 2:22 pm:

      Steve, I’m not sure what”BP&J>BC,” means??

      • Steve 02/22/2013, 2:50 pm:

        Hey Joe,
        My brain cells are made of peanut butter and jelly….I always wondered why zombies eat your brains. 🙂

        • Steve 02/22/2013, 2:56 pm:

          Sorry, I just caught the typo….PB&J>BC

        • Claude 02/22/2013, 2:58 pm:

          Steve,

          So, the equation should be: “PB&J = BC” 😉

  3. Don 02/21/2013, 9:28 pm:

    Interesting conundrum… if ii makes the brain cell, how can we ever hope to have the an ability of educated intelligence that is smarter than the innate intelligence?

    • JStraussDC 02/22/2013, 2:17 pm:

      Don, can the creation ever be superior to the creator? If the Law of Life (ii) creates the cell, can we expect the cell to ever be superior to the Law or Principle which created it? Apparently outside-in viewpoint says yes, ADIO thinking says No. Isn’t that the same situation that existed in eternity past when Lucifer said, “I will be like the Most High!” and formed the basis for outside-in, human viewpoint, self-centered, thinking. I believe that is known as pride, the “first deadly sin.”

      • Steve 02/22/2013, 3:08 pm:

        Hey Joe,
        Did you really say outside-in is the work of the Devil? Would that make OIBU folks devil worshipers?

        • JStraussDC 02/22/2013, 6:33 pm:

          steve, I assume you are being humerous …but seriously, isn’t the OIBU philosophy all about putting self and our own educated mind, will, intellect above that of our Creator and His laws, principles, standards, and plan? Isn’t it being self-centered (self being the educated mind acting as our authority) rather than God-centered, living for self rather than for He who created us? What’s the difference between making a decision to take a life when the standard says”Thou shalt not murder” and making a decision to ignore the “desire” of the ii of the body and use our own ei to cause the body (with drugs for example) to do what we think it should do. Perhaps that is what BJ had in mind when he said “when someone violates society’s law we put them in prison and point the finger of scorn at them but when they violate nature’s laws we put them in a hospital and send them flowers.”

    • Don 02/22/2013, 9:02 pm:

      Joe,
      and..”ascend above the heights of the clouds”
      That is exactly what I was thinking!
      The thought that anything created can out think the intelligence that gave it a “brain” sounds silly to me.
      Maybe it is just me. Are there any examples that have proven this wrong?
      IMO, so far none.

  4. Steve 02/22/2013, 11:05 pm:

    Hey Joe,
    Admittedly, that was a tongue in cheek response. It’s just the constant negative spin on OIBU that I don’t get. We may have an ADIO W/L view but much of our living is OIBU. The educated intelligence is a necessary part of our existence. We learned the chiropractic art of adjusting by OIBU. Since you and Claude say the adjustic thrust is an educated function, I assume that a scientific specific thrust is possible only because of OIBU.
    As for Satan, it was my understanding St.Lucifer wanted to abolish free will (educated choice), for which, he was cast out. (Odd topic for a chiro.blog)
    BJ’s statement, in my opinion, suggested that an ill working mind was no different than an ill working body. Subluxation between Innate Intelligence and educated intelligence may produce crime as well as other types of (tissue) insanity. Hence the,”empty prisons, hospitals and asylums with global Chiropractic care” statement that often followed or preceded this idea. In all BJ’s writings I never got the idea education was bad, never superior to innate, but not bad in and of itself.
    I think your response to Don was right on, the product will never be superior to the producer. They do say however, computers may soon do just that.

    • Don 02/22/2013, 11:22 pm:

      Steve,
      Artificial intelligence. Can a machine have a mind and consciousness? Are machines always limited? Are humans…?
      Great questions.

    • JStraussDC 02/24/2013, 2:37 pm:

      Steve, no one including Satan wants to abolish free will…. we just want to abolish the consequences of it. I want to plant apple seeds and get money trees. MDs want to give drugs but not have”side-effects”. As Reggie used to say, “there are no side-effects, just effects”

    • JStraussDC 02/24/2013, 5:22 pm:

      Steve, perhaps we need more undestanding of what ADIO/OIBU entails. Obviously, eating food comes frome the outside. But the reasoning behind it is the issue. To nourish your body is ADIO, to treat a disease, outside-in. An adjustment comes from the outside or at least the eif does. It’s the purpose that is at issue, to treat a disease is outside-in. To restore the forces of the ii of the body ADIO. Outside-in procedures may be helpful, especially in cases of LofM, just so we realize, it has nothing to do with health, even if it saves a life and it often does.That is the real issue in the chiropractic/medicine conflict.It’s not the practice of medicine that is bad, but the philosophy that says it restores health. Prisons are outside-in, treating the effects of criminal behavior. They do not correct the cause (changing the heart/thinking of criminals) but thank God for them. Unfortunately, outside-in thinking people hinder those who would address the cause like Colson. Or they think that making prison a n ice place to be will rehabilitate them (gyms, cable tv, etc.) Educated intelligence is not bad, just the incorrect use of it.

      • Steve 02/25/2013, 6:13 pm:

        Hey Joe,
        I was not talking about the reason for adjusting. My reference was to learning and applying the skill, OIBU. Now let’s talk diet. ADIO assumes we can never know, educatedly “what” to eat. Only Innate knows our exact requirements. With OIBU however, we can educatedly know “how” to eat, as in whole foods are better than refined foods. OIBU is not bad, just the incorrect use of it (is).
        Don’t know who Colson is.
        Are you aware of the study that showed the only common denominator amongst all death row prisoners (within the study group) was that they had all received a severe blow to the back of the head at one time in their lives?

    • Don 02/24/2013, 11:21 pm:

      Joe,
      I can appreciate that the reasoning and purpose behind all actions dictate if the behaviour how the action can be classified (OBUI or ADIO).
      Let see if I have this correct. If I decide to become vegan because I want to lose weight that is OBUI because my purpose is to address my weight. If I determine I want to be vegan because it is simply good for my health regardless of the state of my waistline, that is ADIO.
      Is this correct?
      Also, if the problem of EI is its improper use, how can I determine if I am using my EI PROPERLY?

      • JStraussDC 02/26/2013, 12:25 am:

        Don, good educated is ADIO thinking. Basically it is doing what the ii of the body would do if the ii of the body could make that decision. In many cases it is not an “innate decision’ but an educated one. The more we understand the philosophy the greater liklihood we have of making that decision correctly. IOW if your educated, philosophically deduced ed. B tells you being a vegan is best for your body that is what you should do…. but realize that decision is only good for you, it’s not your place to dictate how others should live.When you start doing that you are practicingg outside-in inasmuch as you are making an ed. decision that their ed. should be making. Many DCs believe that their educated is smarter than their pm’S educated so they should prescribe lifestyle(what to eat, how to sleep,exercise) rather than teaching the ADIO philosophy.That’s being lazy, ignorant, arrogant or all three . That’s a difference between NTOSC and therapeutic chiropractic. One final point, IMO, ADIO thinking with regard to social interaction is best summed up by the little bracelet that says WWJD.

      • Don 02/26/2013, 11:46 pm:

        Dr. Strauss,
        So recognizing the fact that each persons educated produce decisions that are only applicable to them alone.
        OBUI is when this fact is ignored either consciously or unconsciously.

        Dictating, prescribing anything is clearly OBUI.

        What I find confusing is the term inform.
        For instance, “I inform my practice members that they should do 20 minutes of exercise focusing on the core muscles”.
        This area still seems rather grey for me. Is this OBUI or ADIO? Thought?

        • Claude Lessard 02/27/2013, 1:05 pm:

          Don,

          To in-form means to give rise to forms. Information that has the ability to trans-form, NEVER contains “should, must, outta do, have to, need to, etc…”. It is to inform practice members to question ADIO for themselves in as many creative ways as doable. If, and ONLY if, they do, will the rest follow. That way of in-form-ing has the ability to trans-form the practice members from ABOVE-DOWN-INSIDE-OUT. That’s WHAT telling the story of chiropractic over and over and over and over again means. An effective chiropractic orientation is mostly about questioning. That’s HOW to in-form practice members about the ADIO viewpoint. –

          – Here is your example: 😉 ” A farmer-chiropractor went on sowing in his field-practice. As she sowed, some seeds fell on the edge of the path-resistance of few practice members and their prejudices ate them up; Others fell on patches of rock-arguments of some practice members and found little soil and sprang up right away, as there was no depth of earth-understanding and as soon as the sun of commitment came up they were scorched, having little roots, they withered away. Others fell among thorns of medical conditionings of other practice members and the conditionings grew up and choke them. Others fell on rich soil of practice member with beginner’s minds and produced their crop… some a hundred folds and became chiropractors… some sixty folds and told everyone they could about the benefits of chiropractic care… some thirty folds and became lifetime practice members and brought in their families.
          Listen anyone WHO has ears! ” –

          – It you WHO is free to in-form like the sower. He did not tell WHAT the field of his practice ought to do. No, she planted her seeds and without prejudice “questioned” the field and OBSERVED if … producing its crop.

          • JStraussDC 02/27/2013, 2:17 pm:

            Claude, I tend to think that the only time information should contain the demandsof “thou shalt or shall not”, is when the informer has the authority over the informee. A Pms life and health is the responsibility of themselves and their ii, not the chiropractor. I could make the demand of my girls when they were young because of my position of authority as their father. Thomas Jefferson in writing to an obviously outside-in thinking politician said “both of us view our constituents as children, the difference is, I view them as adult children, you view them as little children” The ADIO chiropractor views his PM as an adult, capable of making his own decisions that will transform his own life.The chiropractor who “prescribes, ” views the pm as children who need to be told what to do. The other side of that coin is that we chiropractors need to be the best “informers” possible, developing our sowing skills and looking for fertile ground. I had a chiropractor friend who once told me he gave an orientation to a NPM who was lying on the office floor , flat on his back because of low back pain, not, imo, the most fertile ground. By the way, I think I read that farmer-chiropractor story before:)

          • Claude 02/27/2013, 2:46 pm:

            … it is you WHO is free to inform like the sower. He did not tell to the field of his practice WHAT it ought to do. No, she planted her seeds and without prejudice “questioned” the field of her practice and OBSERVED it… producing its crop. –

            – it is you WHO is free to in-form your practice members by orienting them to question THEMSELVES, without condemnation, whether they live divorced from the reality of innate intelligence governing the functions of their bodies AND in-form them that there is a practical way to re-connect themselves with that reality. 😉

        • JStraussDC 02/27/2013, 2:26 pm:

          No Don, you aren’t informing, you’re prescribing, that’s medical and outside-in. You are correct in saying that educated decisions are only applicable to self. The eb is an organ like the liver or pancreas. How would your pancreas function in another person’s body?….not as well as their own, I don’t think. It may even cause their death.

      • Don 02/28/2013, 12:03 am:

        Dr. Lessard and Dr. Struass,
        Thanks for the timeless example of sewing seeds.
        As I understand it, ADIO thinking:
        -never tells WHAT to do
        -is mostly about questioning
        -is orienting them to question THEMSELVES
        -is unprejudiced questioning
        -followed up by simple observation
        -not followed by with condemnation

        This is because A pms life and health is the responsibility of themselves and their ii, not the chiropractor. They are adults and must and must be treated as such (unless they are your daughter as in Joe’s example 😉

        Joe’s point about the eb as an organ is a great one.
        “The eb is an organ like the liver or pancreas. How would your pancreas function in another person’s body?….not as well as their own, I don’t think. It may even cause their death.”

        Question: How does this apply to the recommendations and prescriptions of frequency of care? How do you choose to inform your pm’s about how often to come in to get checked for vs? Is it left up to them?

        FYI, I don’t inform my practice members that they should do 20 minutes of exercise focusing on the core muscles. I tell them, why go overboard, do 1 minute a day for 20 days is much easier. 😉

        • Claude Lessard 02/28/2013, 12:42 pm:

          Don,

          Do you understand that the LIVING human body is in a continual FLOW of transformation? That it is a FACT that exist in everybody, everywhere, in all of space and time? That it is a deduction from our major premise?

          • Don 02/28/2013, 9:21 pm:

            Dr. Lessard,
            I’ll be the first to admit that I haven’t fully grasped the meaning of the word FLOW.

          • Claude Lessard 02/28/2013, 10:32 pm:

            Don,

            Radioactive isotopes studies have been conducted at Cornel University and Oak Ridge Laboratories showing that 98% of all the atoms that make up our bodies are replaced once a year. This literally means that the innate intelligence of the body turns over 500,000,000,000 (billions) cells in one DAY! That is the flow of transformation the LIVING human body undergoes every DAY. Try to wrap your mind around that if you can. 😉 –

            – In other words, innate intelligence makes a new skin in one month, a new skeleton every three months, a new liver every 6 weeks, a new stomach lining every 5 days. Even the brain cells, that are not replaced once they die, do not retain the same content of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, etc… are totally different from one year ago. And, further more, the DNA which is supposed to hold memories of thousands of years… the actual raw material of the DNA did not exist 6 weeks ago. –

            – Can you see, that our bodies are in a FLOW of transformation, re-NEW-ing themselves more rapidly than we change our clothes? You literally do not have the same body you had when you woke up this morning! –

            – Do you understand that the LIVING human body is in a continual FLOW of transformation? That it is a FACT that exist in everybody, everywhere, in all of space and time? That it is a deduction from our major premise?

        • JStraussDC 02/28/2013, 2:35 pm:

          Don, a few points of clarification:”ADIO thinking”, never usurps authority, whether it is the ii of the body, the PM’s free will, legitimate government authority or GOD. We tell Pm’s how often they should come in because there is no authority that exceeds ours in knowledge. We do notsupercede the Pm’s free will. As a result some come in more than our recommendation and some less. We honor that free will decision.
          “ADIO thinking” is not “mostly about quesioning”. In fact it is mostly about deduction. Asking questions is just a tool of education. Explained and made popular in chiropractic education of the PM by Jim Healy and on this blog by Claude.For some it apparently works well. Others like Joe D. use a “this is the way it is” method. It has worked well for him for 45+ years. There are other tools, some better, IMO and some worse depending upon the PM. It depends upon the educator. QUestioning is a good one, if the individual being questioned has enough understanding and frame of reference to be able to “ask and answer” themselves. Some like you seem to be able to do that and some reading this blog probably do not. (or are too embarrassed to ask a followup question).
          There is no such thing as “unprejudiced thinking”. When Claude asks a question, he already has prejudged and has the correct answer. Like attorneys you should never ask a question that you do not know the answer unless you are asking for POI or to gain understanding. But as an educational tool you should know thw answer. On a test question, the teacher must have the right answer (unless he/she is looking for the students opinion).Good discussion.PS 1 min/ day is still prescribing but I can see where it would be more popular with your PM’s. I would sure like it better:)

      • Don 02/28/2013, 9:46 pm:

        Dr. Strauss,
        Sorry, accidentally, posted this somewhere else.
        With all due respect, isn’t saying, “We tell Pm’s how often they should come in because there is no authority that exceeds ours in knowledge.” what the other camp is using as a defense?
        For instance, “we recommend xyz nutriceutical because there is no other authority that exceeds ours in neutriceutical.”
        I don’t understand the difference.
        P.S. it seems we prefer the same exercise regimen 😉

        • JStraussDC 02/28/2013, 10:35 pm:

          Don,there is another authority….the ii of the PMs body. The ii of the Pm’s body cannot tell them when they are subluxated. Why is that?

          • Don 03/01/2013, 12:08 am:

            I like this….a logical approach with questioning 🙂
            Okay, the ii of the pm’s body cannot tell them where they are subluxated because of the presence of the subluxation and the reality of the vertemere cycle. That is my guess.

  5. Don 02/28/2013, 9:41 pm:

    Dr. Strauss,
    With all due respect, isn’t saying, “We tell Pm’s how often they should come in because there is no authority that exceeds ours in knowledge.” what the other camp is using as a defense?
    For instance, “we recommend xyz nutriceutical because there is no other authority that exceeds ours in neutriceutical.
    I don’t understand the difference.

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