Urban Legends or Cerasoliisms

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Chiropractic has its share of urban legends or statements of “fact “that are accepted as truth  only because they have been repeated so often. Perhaps the most famous one is that attributed to Thomas Edison, that “The  doctor of the future will give no drugs….” Those at the “Edison  headquarters” in Menlo Park, N.J. have investigated this quote and said  that they can find no indication that the famous inventor ever said it or any similar statement. Yet chiropractors still use it.

   There is another statement that fits into this category of “urban legends”. That is the word subluxation meaning “less  light”, that it comes from :                                                                   Sub-meaning less 

                                                                              Lux-meaning light

                                                                             Ation-meaning a state of

I don’t know where or when it began but it is simply not true or accurate. It would be like saying that dislocation means  not in a state of being in lines of communication because it is made up of dis-not, loc (the abbreviation for lines of communication) and ation-a state of. Subluxation does not mean being in a state of less light but being less than a luxation. It is made up of 2 two English “words” (actually one word and an english prefix), not one English word, one Latin word and one that is not even a word. I’m for anything that will help people understand and remember chiropractic terms. But not at the expense of honesty and accuracy. It has nothing to do with light. It has to do with the malposition of a bone and in the chiropractic context, a malposition that interferes with the mental impulses. In my opinion, we don’t need to and should not make up silly or inaccurate terms to convey our message.

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  1. David McGonagle 02/12/2014, 10:46 pm:

    It’s my understanding that the “light” definition came from a group of chiropractors that teach that Innate Intelligence is God, not of God. Light allows the spiritual connection to come about much easier. It also would define chiropractic a cult.

    • JoeStrauss 02/13/2014, 2:45 pm:

      Never heard that Dave. I guess I travel in the wrong (or in this case right) circles. Your explanation makes perfect sense. One more reason why it is important to know the philosophy. Thanks.

  2. Don 02/13/2014, 4:12 am:

    Joe,
    I couldn’t agree with you more. In no where more than this part. “It is made up of 2 two English “words” (actually one word and an english prefix), not one English word, one Latin word and one that is not even a word.”

    Thank you for pointing this and the Edison quote. I have searched in vain for the source before. Did you contact the “Edison Headquarters” yourself?

    Lastly, playing devils advocate here, could we not be using a common term in a way that is part of our own unique lexicon. What I mean is that there are other examples of words that have been adopted/accepted/injected into the chiropractic lexicon, could this not be yet another?
    As a matter of fact, among other things, this is one of the factors in a word finding its way into dictionaries.
    Btw, I know there is no way around “It is made up of 2 two English “words” (actually one word and an english prefix), not one English word, one Latin word and one that is not even a word.” IMO that seems to be a fact. 🙂

    • JoeStrauss 02/13/2014, 2:37 pm:

      Don, actually a New Jersey chiropractor contacted the “Edison Headquarters” and they did the research. Edison may have said it in passing at one time but it is more likely that it is something someone wished he had said.
      We do use a (not so) “common term in a way that is part of our unique lexicon”. The word is subluxation. It seems to me that as part of our “unique lexicon”, it should have some relationship to its “common term” usage. “Less than a luxation” does, “a state of less light” has no relationship whatsoever. If we could somehow get “less life” out of the word subluxation that might work but my practical experience in English (all my life), Latin (2 years high school) and ancient (koine) Greek (2 semesters graduate, university level), does not enable me to find a way to “inject” less life into subluxation and hence the “chiropractic lexicon”. I’m going to Sweden to speak next month. Perhaps something in their language can get less life out of the word subluxation:)

      • don 02/16/2014, 2:06 am:

        Joe,
        If they don’t “inject” less life into that term, it will “suck the life out of me”. 🙂
        Have a safe flight!

  3. todd 02/14/2014, 1:24 pm:

    good to know. have heard both ‘urban legends’ enough to ‘assume’ they must be true. as always, thanks for setting things straight.

  4. Steve 02/14/2014, 5:12 pm:

    There was a time when the vertebral foramen were called the windows of the spine. Maybe this will shed some light on the matter.

  5. Steve 02/14/2014, 5:58 pm:

    I wonder where that boy got that idea of the spinal foramina being
    windows to be opened and closed at our pleasure for light and air. That
    must be of Bohemian origin transferred from Oakley Smith, for I never
    saw anything like that in America. I was the author’s teacher for four
    months and I am sure that I never referred to the foramina of the spine as being windows. (DD,1910)

    • Claude 02/15/2014, 12:02 am:

      Many statements are made by people WHO choose to propagate the dualistic notion that energy is different from matter while in reality energy and matter are ONE and the same.

      • JoeStrauss 02/15/2014, 12:44 pm:

        That would destroy the Triune (Principle #4) Would you have any other examples/statements of “chiropractic urban legends”?

        • Claude Lessard 02/15/2014, 4:17 pm:

          Joseph,

          What you destroy the Triune (Principle #4) which is intelligence, FORCE and matter?

          • Claude Lessard 02/15/2014, 4:20 pm:

            What WOULD destroy the Triune (Principle #4) which is intelligence, FORCE and matter?

          • JoeStrauss 02/15/2014, 6:54 pm:

            Adding a fourth component intelligence force ,matter and energy. Some people incorrectly say that force and energy are synonymous which is also incorrect.

    • JoeStrauss 02/15/2014, 12:35 pm:

      Steve, I would like to see the origin of that quote from D.D. to understand the context. I realize many of his statements were random and had no context. I assume it is in The Chiropractor’s AdjusterThanks for your help.

      • Steve 02/17/2014, 2:07 pm:

        Joe,
        1910 Pages 52, 120-above quote, 368, 456, 700/701. Happy hunting.

  6. Claude Lessard 02/15/2014, 10:39 pm:

    Joseph,

    You are correct, there is no need to add anything to the triune (principle #4). Existence is a triunity having three necessary united factors, namely, Intelligence, Instructive Information (which can be deconstructive or constructive) and Energy/Matter. –

    – Even though we inquired into the nature of the triune at length on this blog many times before, it is a pleasure for me to repeat that energy/matter exhibits different levels of motion depending upon the atomic configuration of of its electrons, protons and neutrons which are part and parcel of the material world. A universal intelligence is in ALL energy/matter and continually gives to it ALL its properties and actions through instructive information, thus maintaining energy/matter in existence (MP). –

    – Energy/Matter can have no motion without the instructive information from intelligence (pri.15). Therefore since intelligence is ALWAYS 100%(pri.9) and creates instructive information (pri.8) which in turn unite intelligence and energy/matter (pri.10), we see that instructive information (force) is metaphysical and energy/matter is physical. As example (for Don) 😉 The sun, the stars and ALL of the astral bodies of the universe are energy/matter giving off light, heat, gases, electromagnetic waves and radiations which create many electro-chemical reactions in the universe, some of which can be studied and applied in laboratories. ALL of this is physical… it’s called physics and chemistry. Even carbon monoxide which is colorless, odorless, noiseless and tasteless is physical even though our senses cannot detect it. On the other hand, instructive information (force) is the metaphysical “thought or intent”, if you will, of intelligence, that unite intelligence (which is metaphysical) with energy/matter (which is physical). This is WHY, the function of energy/matter is to express FORCE which is the instructive information of intelligence (thought and intent). –

    – Within “living things” innate intelligence adapts universal force and energy/matter (pri.23) maintaining that particular energy/matter in active organization (pri.21) instructing and informing the level of motion of energy/matter. Therefore we can conclude that a specific level of motion is necessary within energy/matter to “carry” the instructive information to the tissue cells of the living vertebrate body. Within the living vertebrate body this instructive information is called… the mental impulse which is an innate force and can be interfered with by VS (pri.28,29,31). –

    – Since energy/matter is limited and capable of being interfered with, this will affect the FLOW (quality/quantity) of instructive information which is NOT the “intent” of the innate intelligence of the living vertebrate body. Technically, the mental impulse with intelligent direction (which is constructive toward living energy/matter as it is adapted into a innate force) is reverted back to a nerve impulse without intelligent direction (which is deconstructive toward energy/matter as it is an unadapted universal force). –

    – This should be sufficient to enable ANY chiropractor to recognize the potential destructive possibilities of the vertebral subluxation and that interference with the transmission of innate forces violates the integrity of the triune. The triune is therefore comprised of two metaphysical components namely INTELLIGENCE and FORCE (instructive information) and one physical component namely MATTER (which is REALLY the physical component of energymatter).

  7. Steve 02/16/2014, 6:15 pm:

    If the instructive information is coupled with a nerve impulse to form a mental impulse, is the MI not a mixture of physical and metaphysical?
    Isn’t force a blending of the two?

  8. Claude Lessard 02/16/2014, 8:31 pm:

    Steve,

    The function of force is to UNITE intelligence and matter. Force is NOT “a blending of the two”. The three united factors of the triune are separate and distinct from each other. Intelligence CREATES force (8) which UNITES intelligence with energymatter (10) which then allows energymatter to express force. (13). This instructive information CONFIGURES the atomic structure of energymatter which MANIFEST a specific MOTION (15). Therefore, we can conclude that a specific level of motion is necessary within energymatter to “carry” the instructive information to the tissue cells of the living vertebrate body. Since there is a universal life in ALL matter (living and non-living) (14), we conclude that there are 100% universal forces (nerve impulses) present within the living vertebrate body (9) to be adapted by innate intelligence (23). Within the living vertebrate body this instructive information is called… the mental impulse which is an innate force and can be interfered with by VS (pri.28,29,31). –

    – Please note, it is WHEN the nerve impulse (UF) without intelligent direction is adapted by innate intelligence that the impulse has intelligent direction and is called a mental impulse (IF). The MENTAL impulse is a “thought code” or “intent code” if you will. It is purely metaphysical. As I codify my thoughts in english, which are purely metaphysical, they are TRANSMITTED through cyberspace and received and decoded by you in SC. My thoughts are ALWAYS metaphysical and are EXPRESSED through the physical. Now, watch this: –

    – J’aimerais beaucoup communiquer aver toi dans un langage qui possède une racine du Latin au lieu du Grec. C’est simplement une de mes preferences. Tu comprends? –

    – To you this NEW coding of a different language does NOT have intelligent direction unless you know French. My thoughts are the same as before… metaphysical are they not? Same letters, same computers, same software, same cyberspace, same people… yet, I give them a different CONFIGURATION of energymatter (electrons, protons and neutrons). –

    – In other words, it is the SPECIFIC level of motion of energymatter that “carries” the TRANSMISSION of my message that is PHYSICAL since it is energymatter. My instructive information is purely metaphysical. It is the instructive information of intelligence(8) that UNITES intelligence and energymatter (10) which is EXPRESSED by energymatter (13) as a specific level of motion (14) which is dependent upon a specific CONFIGURATION of the atomic structure of energymatter (15). –

    – Which specific configuration of physical atomic structure (read code) would you prefer that I use in order to “carry” my metaphysical instructive information (read thoughts) for our continued communication on this blog? English or French? 😉

  9. Steve 02/17/2014, 6:05 pm:

    Claude,
    I was not suggesting that force was intelligence and matter but that it was physical and non-physical. The instructive information which is metaphysical, is coupled with a physical nerve impulse which is made of energy. ( I know you like to lump them together, matter and energy, but in this case the nerve cell has both matter/energy {nerve structure} and produces energy {nerve conduction}). When transmission is disturbed the instructions are lost but the nerve impulse remains. The metaphysical being removed yields the physical carrier. The code is gone but the undisciplined energy continues.
    When you write, ” Please note, it is WHEN the nerve impulse (UF) without intelligent direction is adapted by innate intelligence that the impulse has intelligent direction and is called a mental impulse”…, this infers the physical (nerve impulse) is reorganized (adapted) by the nonphysical (II), not obliterated.
    Then you write, “As I codify my thoughts in english, which are purely metaphysical, they are TRANSMITTED through cyberspace and received and decoded by you in SC”, what you are describing is a physical current blended with a codified thought. With out the electrical current we would require ESP. Just as with out the nerve pathway and “current”, both being physical, there would be no transmission of mental impulse information. Your message to me is a blending of metaphysical and physical, thought and current. Isn’t the MI as well?
    Let us look from a different angle. Transmission is a physical process through a material medium. Transmission can occur without innate intelligences instructive information but innate’s instructive information cannot be expressed with out transmission.

    • Claude Lessard 02/17/2014, 6:53 pm:

      Steve,

      You stated: “Transmission is a physical process through a material medium.” That’s true! What controls the energy/matter (nerve pathways) of that physical “intelligent” process? In other words, when you posted that “transmission can occur without innate intelligence’s instructive information”… WHAT would be controlling transmission of nerve impulse or mental impulse? Transmission is ALWAYS intelligent… it is the “direction” from specific instruction information for coordination of action of all the parts of the living vertebrate body that is “down coded”. The lack of intelligent direction is what change the message into a “no message” at all. It would be if I were to send you a personal text from my i-phone and my French Canadian brother would receive it as a result of a cyberspace interference. Your message would be a “no message” to him… he speaks ONLY French.

      • Claude Lessard 02/17/2014, 6:56 pm:

        … you could also use the example of zip code if you prefer. The message is the valid message ONLY if the INTENDED recipient receives it… otherwise it is NOT a valid message.

  10. Steve 02/17/2014, 9:09 pm:

    Such is my point. Transmission of the nerve impulse continues, beyond the subluxation without intelligent information, to the body as does the message to your brother. Something (UF) gets through, it just has no positive survival value. IOW the physical part of the MI minus the intelligent part carries on.
    If you accidentally group texted a message to myself and your brother in English, we would both receive it but he would get no benefit. I on the other hand would bask in the glory that is your wisdom. We both know you sent something but he is no better off after reading it. Again, we both receive the same thing (physical) but only I receive the intellectual (metaphysical) portion.
    Consider this….Art. 58. THE SIXTH STEP OF THE NORMAL COMPLETE
    CYCLE. TRANSFORMATION. (116, 139, 233, V)
    (Webster)
    Changing mental force to a specific unit.
    Changing force from the mental realm to the material realm.
    Making foruns usable in the tissue cell.
    Making a force out of thought so that it can be physical
    enough to “get a grip” on matter.
    Further…When foruns have been transformed they are units, called Mental
    Impulses. The force is now outside the mental realm and in the material realm, in which they can be reckoned a form of energy and as such, be expressed in physical forms.

    • Claude Lessard 02/17/2014, 10:59 pm:

      Steve,
      It’s NOT the innate force that changes, it’s the CONFGURATION of the electrons, protons and neutrons of energymatter that changes due to the instructive information of innate intelligence. In other words the TRANSMITING energymatter is transformed in such a way as to “carry” the message. Ink, paper, envelope, stamps, air mail’ post office, mail carrier are NOT the message. They are TRANSMITTERS of my thought-message. It’s YOU who can decode my transmitted message to you. Yes, in this case, you need energymatter to “read” my thoughts, yet my thoughts are ALWAYS metaphysical. My brother had my letter just the same, yet he does not have the metaphysical capabilities with his intelligence to decode my thought-message.

  11. Steve 02/17/2014, 11:30 pm:

    Claude,
    What your saying here is the transformation of the matter is the message. Now you’re leaving force out completely. Intelligence needs force to act on matter, we were discussing force.
    If the mailman/woman dropped your letter in the puddle before he put it in my box, I would still get the letter whether it was readable or not.

    • Claude Lessard 02/18/2014, 1:50 am:

      No Steve. What I am saying is that the transformation of energymatter is the carrier of the specific message. The specific configuration of electrons, protons, and neutrons given to the TRANSMITTING matter by the instructive information of innate intelligence is manifested into MOTION by the TRANSMITTING matter which in this case is to “carry” the message. The force is the message, NEVER the transmitting energymatter. The transmitting energymatter is the carrier of the message. Force will ALWAYS remain metaphysical. It’s the expression of force by energymatter which is manifested by motion that is physical. Metaphysical remains metaphysical. Physical remains physical. It cannot be otherwise. It’s the specific CONFIGURATION of the electrons, protons and neutrons of energymatter that is manifested into a specific MOTION that is physical. Metaphysical innate intelligence adapts metaphysical universal forces into metaphysical innate forces (#23) to CONFIGURE physical electrons, protons and neutrons of energymatter producing specific MOTION in energymatter (#14). –

      – Remember that the neurons to the nerves also receive instructive information from the innate intelligence of the living vertebrate body to TRANSMIT the instructive information to the rest of the cells of the body for coordination of action. Transmitting matter is physical matter very much the same as the rest of the cells of the body. It requires innate forces to live. We must be cautious NOT to make what is physical into metaphysical and what is metaphysical into physical. It’s the instructive information code that CONFIGURES the electrons, protons and neutrons of energymatter (“get a grip on matter”) giving it a specific MOTION whether it is a nerve cell, a heart cell, a kidney cell, a brain cell, a liver cell, etc. The electrons, protons and neutrons of ALL the elements of the periodic tables have different configuration. The electrons, protons and neutrons of ALL the cells of a living organism have different configuration. By the way, in your case, ALL of this complexity is coming from the specific configuration of electrons, protons and neutrons of your DNA from the instructive information of the innate intelligence of your body. So, your genetic code which is purely physical will NEVER be the metaphysical instructive information of the innate intelligence of your body. Your genetic code which is purely physical will ALWAYS be expressed by your energymatter (#13) being CONFIGURED into a specific MOTION which will be the manifestation of the metaphysical instructive information of the innate intelligence of your body (#14).

      • Claude Lessard 02/18/2014, 1:58 am:

        … in other words, the interference with innate forces is ALWAYS between matter and matter, between physical and physical, between brain cell and tissue cell which is specifically configured by innate intelligence to TRANSMIT the metaphysical mental impulse with intelligent direction.

  12. Steve 02/18/2014, 2:18 pm:

    If it is the physical transformation of the nerve cell that transmits the instructive information then innate intelligence has already been expressed before reaching the end tissue. By your description it is the physicality of the nerve that motivates the muscle, gland, organ etc. or matter acting on matter.

    • Claude Lessard 02/18/2014, 2:38 pm:

      Steve,

      No it is not. The physicality of the nerve “carries” the instructive information of the innate intelligence of the living vertebrate body for COORDINATION OF ACTION. The motion of the nerve (matter) from the specific CONFIGURATION of its particles is the physical TRANSMITTING matter of the metaphysical instructive information for COORDINATION OF ACTION of ALL the parts of the living vertebrate body.

  13. Steve 02/18/2014, 3:59 pm:

    Well then if the changing of the nerve (a physical phenomena) transmits the message then it is a physical message received by the tissue. A message engineered by II but delivered by mechanical means.

    • Claude Lessard 02/18/2014, 6:25 pm:

      Steve,

      Does your receiving my metaphysical thoughts into a physical letter make my message physical? NO! My thoughts are ALWAYS and FOREVER metaphysical and MUST be decoded, in English, by your educated intelligence. The physical transmitting matter is the CARRIER of the metaphysical instructive information from the metaphysical innate intelligence. The triune is made of metaphysical intelligence, metaphysical force and physical matter (pri. 4)… ALWAYS and FOREVER. The triune is comprised of TWO metaphysical components and one physical component.

  14. Steve 02/19/2014, 4:28 pm:

    Not quite there yet . Your thoughts were expressed on the paper and became a physical representation(expression) at that time. Had the mailperson delivered your letter two weeks late, I would have missed the Lessard diplomat course in philosophy, but I would have known your intent.
    If II changes the very structure of the transmitting media, in this case a nerve cell, then we have a physical representation of innate’s intent prior to expression at the destination tissue level, do we not?
    I would contend that the creation of the mental impulse and it’s transmission is the fusion of metaphysical and physical.

    • Claude Lessard 02/19/2014, 8:03 pm:

      Steve,

      If if were the fusion of the two, then the whole transmitting system of the US post office would be part of my thoughts… and I don’t even know your mail carrier. WHY do you think we have principles 13, 14 an 15? It’s energymatter that express instructive information which is MANIFESTED in MOTION due to the instructive information of intelligence in energymatter. The expression of instructive information by energymatter as MOTION is NOT the thought itself… it ONLY the CONFIGURATION of the particles of energymatter (motion) which is dependent upon being free from interference.

      • Steve 02/19/2014, 11:02 pm:

        The USP is not part of your thought but it is part of the thought transmission, the part that is bound by oath to physically deliver your thoughts to me. Just as the nerve is designed to transmit information. Without the USP or afferent nerve there would be no communication.
        P. #13, The function of matter is to express force. If the nerve is “changed” by II, it is expressing. The heart is not fundamentally changed by beating, the lungs are not changed by breathing, why should a nerve be changed by conducting.
        P.#28 The forces of Innate Intelligence operate through or over the nerve system in an animal body.

        • Claude Lessard 02/19/2014, 11:55 pm:

          Steve,

          Your are correct in saying that the transmitting matter is NOT part iof my thoughts. It never was and never will! The transmitting matter is ONLY the carrier which is physical and my thoughts are metaphysical. My thoughts are MANIFESTED as MOTION in energymatter. What do you suppose is MOVING in energymatter in MOTION if not electrons, protons and neutrons? Of course the heart, lungs, liver, nerves are in constant MOTION and have cellular replacement at the rate of 500,000,000,000 cells per day… so they do change according to the instructive information of innate intelligence and they are never the same. It’s the specific CONFIGURATION of electrons, protons and neutrons of energymatter that MANIFESTS it’s MOTION.

          Therefore, the instructive information for COORDINATION of action are transmitted via nerves and are “distributed” to its specific destination-cell. For that to occur, innate intelligence provide instructive information to ALL energymatter including the transmitting matter by maintaining it in active organization (#21) (configuring it’s particles accordingly).

          My instructive information that you will decode in English is ONLY for YOU and is different than the instructive information I give the USPO to distribute it to your address in SC is it not?

          • Claude Lessard 02/20/2014, 1:35 am:

            … in other words, innate intelligence provides instructive information to the TRANSMITTING matter maintaining it in active organization (#21) by CONFIGURING it in a specific format for the “distribution” of instructive information for COORDINATION of action of ALL the parts of the living vertebrate body (#23). ALL of those parts will in turn be maintain in active organization (#21) by also being CONFIGURED in a specific format for keeping the integrity of the principle of COORDINATION of action (#32). ALL of these instructive information are different and therefore CONFIGURES the electrons, protons and neutrons of energymatter according to the NEEDS of ALL the parts of the parts of the living vertebrate body (#23) within the limits of adaptation (#24). –

            – Suppose I want to send a message to my canadian brother about you in SC. I will provide instructive information to the USPO to deliver it to his address in Quebec with zip code GOA3CO and pay the $1.32 fee for this service. When the USPO and the CPO deliver my letter to him, he receives it coded in French. He will decode it and express it or NOT through manifesting a certain MOTION. Let’s say that it is he WHO chooses to send you an iPhone text that says “Steve” which was my message to him. Now in order to prepare you for this amazing communication, I send a message to you by letting you know what MIGHT be happening (if my brother choose to participate). I would then provide different instructive information to the USPO to deliver a personal letter to your address in Columbia, SC with zip code 29203 and pay the $0.49 fee for the service. When the USPO delivers my letter to you, you receive it coded in English. You will decode it and express it or NOT through manifesting a certain MOTION. Let’s say it is you WHO choose to express my intent and you text him back “Jocelyn”. –

            – In this example there were nine different sets of instructive information. The instructive information that I coded in French to my brother in the letter(1). The USPO/CPO to distribute my letter of instructive information to Jocelyn in Quebec (2). Then there was the instructive information coded in English to you(3). There was the instructive information to the USPO to distribute my letter of instructive information to you in Columbia(4). There was also the instructive information that my brother coded as your name in an iPhone text(5). Then Jocelyn instructed his iPhone with your phone # and send it you you(6). You decoded the message, read your name, smiled and you responded as you coded the instructive information as his name in an iPhone text (7). You then instructed your iPhone with his Jocelyn’s phone # and send it to him (8). Jocelyn received your text read his name and smiled(9). –

            – Do you get the AMAZING amount of instructive information going on at one time within the living vertebrate body? This will go on and on and on and on and on…. as long as there are no interference to the TRANSMISSION of innate forces. That’s WHY chiropractors are CALLED to practice the chiropractic objective! 😉

  15. Claude Lessard 02/20/2014, 4:23 am:

    … in the above example, (I know examples eventually breakdown), you will notice that the instructive information of the “project coordinator” (me) was expressed by energymatter (you, my brother and everyone else involved) and manifested by specific MOTION along the way. There were two means of TRANSMISSION: mail delivery (computer scans, trucks, airplanes and mail carrier on foot) and phone delivery through cyberspace with computers, software, internet providers, satellites and towers stations. Instructive information were formulated by coding two different languages using different “levels of intelligence” (myself/english-french, my brother/french and you/english) as message to be decoded and (post office employees) as instruction to distribute the message. Different fees for the mail service ($0.49 and $1.32) and different speeds. Specific fee of $0.50 for each international text and one mega speed. The success of this project example was based on everyone’s participation WITHOUT interference with the TRANSMISSION of the instructive information of the project coordinator and everyone else as well. –

    – If you observe closely, the universal diagram of cycles was applied in this example. Innate intelligence/innate brain, physical brain, innate body, educated brain and educated body.

  16. Steve 02/21/2014, 4:08 am:

    In your eloquent example the communication in each case requires a material medium. Until you can will your thoughts to me (I am sensing some frustration) your tutelage goes undetected without a physical carrier, whether mecanical, analog or binary. Instructive information must be moved from it’s point of origin to it’s destination in order to have value. At some point the message and the message mover must be merged. It is at this point the idea first posesses, or becomes a, materiality. Altho each is seperate , the message and the media, only when combined are they effective. For example, you could have sent a blank peice of paper, or had the thought but nothing to write with. In order for matter to express force, force must have a physical aspect.
    We as chiropractors, with desires to tend to the physical needs of mankind, offer a physical force that innate intelligence may adapt to correct a subluxation and remove the physical impingement to a physical nerve that is transmitting a metaphysical message. The physical approach to the physical aspect of a metaphysical/physical entity is all we have until we can develope a telekinetic (metaphysical) technique.
    P.# 12 & 29 say we can interfere with the transmission, the physical part of the transmission.

    SNSC

    • Claude Lessard 02/21/2014, 1:26 pm:

      Steve,

      NO frustration… ONLY love!!! 😉

      The transmitters are totally unaware of the “thought” they carry. There is NO merging. There is CARRYING. Don’t confuse the messenger with the message. They are not one and the same. Merging and fusing imply to become ONE and the same. As you mentioned, “each is separate”. The instructive information and the expression of instructive information manifested through motion are different and distinct from each other. Physical paper and ink are just paper and ink. (M)etaphysical (M)essage is ALWAYS and forever (M)etaphysical that MAYBE could be EXPRESSED and MANIFESTED (pri13,14,15). Here’s HOW it works: –

      – It is the (M)etaphysical innate intelligence that CODES the (M)etaphysical (M)essage within the (M)etaphysical innate brain (remember that we concluded, together without condemnation, that the innate brain is a (M)etaphysical concept and IS wherever the innate intelligence of the body is). Innate intelligence then provides instructive information CONFIGURING the particles of the brain cell and uses it for COORDINATION OF ACTION and becomes the start point of distribution of the (M)etaphysical (M)essage). Then innate intelligence provides instructive information CONFIGURING the particles of the efferent TRANSMITTING matter to “carry” the (M)etaphysical (M)essage) to the intended recipient tissue cell. Then innate intelligence provides instructive information CONFIGURING the particles of recipient tissue cell to receive the (M)etaphysical (M)essage). Then, it is innate intelligence of the recipient tissue cell that decodes the (M)etaphysical (M)essage. All of these function happen at mega speed to an estimated 25 to 40 quadrillion cells SIMULTANEOUSLY. Please note that if the (M)etaphysical (M)essage is NOT received by the intended tissue cell due to INTERFERENCE WITH TRANSMISSION (which is physical from brain cell to tissue cell) there is absolutely NO physicality expressing the (M)etaphysical (M)essage of the innate intelligence of the body and therefore there is NO appropriate function for coordination of action from the intended receiving LIVING tissue cell. This intended LIVING tissue cell has now a “cellfish” CONFIGURATION of electrons, neutrons and protons. –

      – We must remember that ONLY when the transmitted message is RECEIVED by the intended “recipient” LIVING tissue cell and is decoded by the innate intelligence of the intended “recipient” LIVING tissue cell can the (M)etaphysical message be “physicalized” by the LIVING tissue cell as COORDINATION OF ACTION. Then the appropriate “response” (coordinated or “cellfish”) of the received and decoded instructive information by the innate intelligence of the LIVING tissue cell will be TRANSMITTED, in same manner, through the afferent transmitting matter, through similar steps, to be received and decoded by the innate intelligence of the LIVING brain cell. It is at this point that the TRANSMITTING portion of the cycle is complete and that the innate intelligence of the body will “evaluate” whether the needs of the LIVING vertebrate body were met through intellectual adaptation. ONLY thus is the normal cycle COMPLETE (for your reference see page 11 of RWS). Please note, that at NO times did the transmitting matter become the (M)etaphysical (M)essage. The ONLY function of the TRANSMITTING matter is to EXPRESS the instructive information of innate intelligence which CONFIGURES its electrons, protons and neutrons causing it MOTION toTRANSMIT the instructive information for COORDINATION OF ACTION. The transmitting matter does NOT become nor does it express and manifest the (M)etaphysical instructive information for COORDINATION OF ACTION of any recipient LIVING tissue cell. –

      – The same thing happens with the example of my brother above. If there is INTERFERENCE WITH TRANSMISSION, whatever is the TRANSMISSION medium, my instructive information for COORDINATION OF ACTION will NOT be MANIFESTED by my brother. The same goes for with you. The instructive information to the TRANSMITTING post office will require MOTION which is a specific configuration its employees and transportation systems. That’s WHY the interference with TRANSMISSION is ALWAYS between physical and physical. In the living vertebrate body, notice that WHEN interference with transmission occurs, the (M)etaphysical (M)essage is LOST. There will be NO expression of instructive information by energymatter that would be manifested by motion for COORDINATION OF ACTION. It is either a (M)etaphysical (M)essage or it’s NOT a message at all. A half thought does NOT exist since you can split the metaphysical. It is immaterial and intangible. Either it is an ADAPTED universal force by innate intelligence or it is NOT. Either it is a universal force or an innate force. –

      – One last observation… The function of innate intelligence is to adapt universal forces AND energymatter for USE in the body (23). That’s the reason WHY the electrons, protons and neutrons of the TRANSMITTING matter are CONFIGURED (read adapted) by innate intelligence in such a way as to “carry” the (M)etaphysical (M)essage, from start to finish, for COORDINATION OF ACTION of ALL the parts of the living vertebrate body for mutual benefit (23). –

      – I think that the difficulties is with the fact that up to now, we had separated energy and matter and equated energy with force. The FACT is force is METAPHYSICAL and is INSTRUCTIVE INFORMATION. In other words, FORCE is IMMATERIAL and not material (force does not have matter of electrons, protons and neutrons). Energymatter on the other hand is 100% physical and is dependent upon the CONFIGURATION of its electrons, protons and neutrons at a specific speed within space and time. This determines whether or not we can SENSE energymatter. Sometimes we can sense it… like an apple falling on Newton’s head. Sometimes we cannot sense it … like the person who died from carbon monoxide poisoning in her home yesterday. –

      – I hope this clarifies the THREE separate and distinct components of the ONE triune as being two (M)etaphysical components: INTELLIGENCE AND FORCE and one physical component: ENERGYMATTER.

  17. Steve 02/21/2014, 8:53 pm:

    Thank you Sir Claude,
    I will read and think, think and read. I understand your position but am not yet convinced.
    Just because we disagree on the location of IB, that does not mean we can’t come to a mutual understanding on other topics.

    • JoeStrauss 02/24/2014, 4:31 pm:

      Steve, where do you think the innate brain is located?

  18. Steve 02/24/2014, 8:59 pm:

    Man’s total brain is sub-divided into two sections—
    Innate brain and Educated brain. BJP.
    Every thing I read tells me these are functional differences not locational. If we regard innate intelligence as law or laws instead of a personage/personality, it still needs a tissue to function through. A tissue particularly suited for it’s characteristics. Just as the eyeball is the most appropriate organ for being receptive to the laws of light and the lungs most efficient for the laws of exchanging gasses, the brain is most effective at the laws of transforming force into action.
    That we have not yet identified the Palmer Nucleus or IB does not concern me as we have just begun to understand the physical brain zones relegated to certain bodily functions. After all, this arbitrary division of the brain is a product of educated intelligence and we know how dependable the EB is.
    Your concept of intelligence being throughout the body, even to the cellular level, seems logical. It seems however that there are differing levels of Innate’s involvement. We say the cell is alive because it shows evidence of the signs of life. This is true but on a much smaller scale than the body as a whole unit. The cell does require nutrition but has no stomach, nor bowels to expel it’s waste. The cell requires oxygen but has no lungs or circulating vessels. As cell life is so much less complicated, I think it is safe to assume intracellular coordination can be accomplished without a localized innate brain. Innate brain’s job is to convert universal forces into innate forces and this is being done already at the body level, why would it need to be done again at the cellular level. Isn’t the the environment surrounding the cell an environment maintained by innate intelligence?

    • Claude 02/26/2014, 10:40 pm:

      Steve,

      RWS wrote that innate brain is “That part of the brain used by innate as an organ, in which to assemble mental impulses. its is supplied with mental impulses directly from innate intelligence, whose headquarters it is.” It is a vital spot and cannot be dis-eased. Its existence is actual, but its location is theoretical. There is no transmission of mental impulses from innate intelligence to innate brain, there is no necessity, INNATE BEING RIGHT HERE, for this reason it always has 100% mental impulses.” –

      – What does “INNATE BEING RIGHT HERE” mean to you Steve?

  19. Steve 02/27/2014, 4:31 am:

    According to your choice of quotes, RW thought innate intelligence was headquartered in the innate brain portion of the brain.
    Sounds to me like innate is in the brain.

    • Claude Lessard 02/27/2014, 12:10 pm:

      Steve,

      Tell me if I understand you correctly. You posted “Sounds to me like innate is in the brain”. So YOU think that the innate intelligence of the body and the innate brain are in the physical brain. Do I understand you clearly?

      • Steve 02/28/2014, 2:07 pm:

        No, RW said it was.
        P. 28 says The forces of ii operate through or over the nerve system in animal bodies. I see no conflict in the idea that the innate brain is part of the physical brain.
        If ii is a law then it is metaphysical and boundless. If ii is an individualized portion of universal intelligence it is contained within the individual, most likely within the nerve system.
        DD said, The universe is composed of matter and intelligence; the former is acted
        upon by the latter. All impulses of the planetary system and the animals
        which inhabit it, are directed by this universal intelligence which is
        individualized according to their needs. From this universal intelligence
        individualized, call it what you like, originate impulses which in the veret-brata
        are transmitted thru the nervous system.
        DD also states,To express the
        individualized intelligence which runs all the functions of our bodies
        during our wakeful and sleeping hours, I chose the name Innate. Innate—
        born with.
        Here DD is most clear,“That the vitality and activity of every organ, tissue and cell of the body
        is maintained and controlled by an inherent force and energy which is
        transformed or individualized by the brain and then transmitted to these
        respective parts in the form of mental impulses throughout the channels
        provided by the nerves.”

        • JoeStrauss 02/28/2014, 3:33 pm:

          Steve, excuse me for butting into your conversation with Claude but I don’t think that is what RW was saying (that ii is located in the brain). I am communicating over the internet at this moment. You might even say that I am “operate (ing)through or over the computer” but you would not say that I am located in my computer. I think you are addressing one of the major points of contention between traditional (BJ) chiropractic and OSC, the location of the innate intelligence of the body.

          • Steve 03/01/2014, 3:49 am:

            Ah Joe, but the individualized portion of you involved with this thread is in your computer, or it could not be given to the world via the net. Was it not your computer that adapted or transformed your message to binary code for transmission? That would make you UI, your software II, your mothernoard IB and the internet a gigantic nerve system. My computer then is just lowly matter, fit only for receiving and expressing your sentiments. (See there, you got a promotion from being II to being UI )

        • Claude Lessard 03/01/2014, 3:57 am:

          Steve,

          I understand the position of DD Palmer. Since it is me WHO choose NOT to have communication with the dead DD Palmer, what is your position as to whether or not the innate intelligence of the body and the innate brain are in the physical brain?

          • Claude Lessard 03/01/2014, 11:59 am:

            … and when I say “dead” I mean that I can only stand on DD’s shoulders and move on from there with the livings. DD can ONLY help us with his great mind with the information that he had at the beginning of the 20th century. DD, BJ and RWS gave us a foundational platform to stand on. It is up to those WHO choose to refine and clarify that foundational platform, to maintain it organized for the present and the future.

  20. Steve 02/28/2014, 6:45 pm:

    You’ll have to take that up with RW. He said IT is right there. Now he did not say it was ONLY there but he did say “right there”.

    Yes this is a point of discernment. OSC has changed the definition of innate intelligence from the traditional views expressed by the Palmers, and with that comes some rewriting of conclusions based therein.
    I noticed you made no comment on DD’s quotes, why not?

    • Claude Lessard 03/02/2014, 8:31 pm:

      Steve,

      You posted to Joseph: “You’ll have to take that up with RW. He said IT is right there.” WHAT is RWS talking about? At least read WHAT he fully wrote before making your comments. RWS wrote: ” There is no transmission of mental impulses from innate intelligence to INNATE BRAIN (not the physical brain), there is no necessity, INNATE BEING RIGHT HERE, for this reason it always has 100% mental impulses.” –

      – When you comment the way you just did (omitting INNATE brain) WHAT exactly are you trying to say or do? –

      – Objective chiropractic did NOT change the definition of innate intelligence. Innate intelligence is still that portion of universal intelligence that is localized within “living things”. Innate intelligence is still part of and part from universal intelligence and is still limited by the limitations of matter. Innate intelligence still comes into the picture at principle #20. The mission, amount, function, character and the normality of innate intelligence remains the same. What do you mean WHEN you post that the definition of innate intelligence from the traditional views expressed by the Palmers has been changed by objective chiropractic?

      • Steve 03/03/2014, 12:23 am:

        ” There is no transmission of mental impulses from innate intelligence to INNATE BRAIN (not the physical brain), comes right after “innate brain is “That part of the brain used by innate as an organ” . RW says the MI comes from the IB functional section of the physical brain. How could that be clearer?

  21. Steve 03/03/2014, 12:13 am:

    Ok Claude,
    Let’s start with your citation of the RW qoute, “RWS wrote that innate brain is “That part of the brain…” So #1 RW said the IB is part of the PB. He goes on, “in which to assemble mental impulses”, telling us #2 MIs (those destined for transmission to the periphery) are a product of the IB within the PB. Further, RW continues, ” its is supplied with mental impulses directly from innate intelligence”, #3 the IB within the PB, receives MI from II. Which leaves us the most significant portion of your citation, “There is no transmission of mental impulses from innate intelligence to innate brain, there is no necessity, INNATE BEING RIGHT HERE”, #4 II is in the same place as IB which is within the PB.
    Maybe it would help to clarify as to whether the innate brain is a reservoure or a processer. BJ (andRW) seemed to describe the IB as a physical container of an intelligent entity that created appropriate responses as transmittable signals. In OSC we now describe IB as a processer of laws, putting rules into physical action. If I have misinterpreted OSC philosophy please forgive and correct me. This however is my understanding of the change from an anthropomorphic innate to innate laws.

    SNSC on this ‘puter

    • Claude Lessard 03/03/2014, 2:45 am:

      Steve,

      Your interpretation of DD’s quote is accurate in so far as DD thought that the word brain meant ONLY the physical brain. For that reason it made sense to DD, according to the information of the time and his creative imagination and intuition to have innate brain and educated brain being part of the physical brain. It is important for all of us to get that! –

      – Today in 2014, we understand that we have NEW information to rely upon that DD, BJ and RWS did not have 100 years ago. For the sake of simplification, let me use an example 😉 and create a problem for ALL to solve: –

      – A few post ago you mentioned that: “Your concept of intelligence being throughout the body, even to the cellular level, seems logical. It seems however that there are differing levels of Innate’s involvement. We say the cell is alive because it shows evidence of the signs of life. This is true but on a much smaller scale than the body as a whole unit. The cell does require nutrition but has no stomach, nor bowels to expel it’s waste. The cell requires oxygen but has no lungs or circulating vessels. As cell life is so much less complicated, I think it is safe to assume intracellular coordination can be accomplished without a localized innate brain. Innate brain’s job is to convert universal forces into innate forces and this is being done already at the body level, why would it need to be done again at the cellular level.” THEN YOU go on giving the answer to your question by asking a question: “Isn’t the the environment surrounding the cell an environment maintained by innate intelligence?” OF COURSE the environment of the cell is maintained by innate intelligence!!! The cell is living!!! –

      – The problem is comprised of three parts: –

      – (1) The metaphysical innate intelligence of the body adapts universal instructive information and energymatter and USES the metaphysical innate brain to transmit the mental impulse to the physical brain to be distributed with intelligent direction for COORDINATION OF ACTION of ALL the parts of the body for mutual benefit (pri23). We know that the forces of innate intelligence operate through or over the nervous system in animal bodies (pri28) and that there can be interference with the transmission of innate forces (pri29) due to vertebral subluxation directly or indirectly (pri31). –

      – Let’s say that the metaphysical innate intelligence of the body adapts universal force and energymatter in the metaphysical innate brain to transmit the mental impulse to the physical brain to be distributed with intelligent direction for COORDINATION OF ACTION of ALL the parts of the body for mutual benefit (pri23). A concussion of forces takes place and CAUSES a vertebral subluxation which interferes with the mental impulse (IF) with intelligent direction that was to be received by the specific tissue cell of the LUNGS. Now, ONLY a nerve impulse (UF) without intelligent direction will be received by the specific tissue cell of the LUNGS due to VS… and that cell is now “cellfish” and it’s activity is for itself and NOT for the mutual benefit of the rest of the body.
      Since that “cellfish” cell is a “living thing” and is comprised of cilia, lysosomes, centrioles, microtubules, golgi apparatus, mitochondria, granular endoplasmic reticulum, cell membrane, cytoplasm, granular endoplasmic reticulum, nucleus, chromatin, ribosomes, nuclear membranes, plastid, secretory vesicles and pinocytotic vesicles. What do you think controls the activity of these parts of the “cellfish” cell? And HOW is the COORDINATION OF ACTION of all the parts of that “cellfish” cell happens. That “living thing” we call a “cellfish” cell requires an innate intelligence does it not? Then the innate intelligence of the cell would adapt universal forces and energymatter of the “cellfish” cell into instructive information for COORDINATION OF ACTION of all the parts of that “cellfish” cell to maintain it in active organization UNTIL such time that the VS is corrected. That metaphysical innate intelligence of the cell requires a metaphysical innate brain in order to assemble these instructive information for maintaining the activity of the “cellfish” cell does it not? –

      – Yes the metaphysical innate intelligence of the BODY is ALWAYS within the metaphysical innate brain of the body which is EVERYWHERE within the body. The physical brain and nerve system are used for TRANSMISSION of instructive information for COORDINATION OF ACTION of ALL the parts of the body for mutual benefit (pri23). Also, the metaphysical innate intelligence of the CELL is ALWAYS within the metaphysical innate brain of the CELL which is EVERYWHERE within the cell (“cellfish” or not). –

      – (2) No VS present within the body that has full expression of its innate forces (pri13) manifesting motion (pri14 and 15) through harmonious action of ALL its parts, thus fulfilling their offices and purposes (pri32).
      Now, enter a bacteria which has a cell wall, a plasma membrane, cytoplasm, ribosomes, nucleoid, plasmid, flagella, inclusion body, mesosomes, piles, inclusion, periplasmic space, chromosome, cortex, basal body and DNA. What do you think controls the activity of these parts of the bacteria? And HOW is the COORDINATION OF ACTION of all the parts of that bacteria happens. That “living thing” we call a bacteria requires an innate intelligence does it not? Then the innate intelligence of the bacteria would adapt universal forces and energymatter of the bacteria into instructive information for COORDINATION OF ACTION of all the parts of that bacteria to maintain it in active organization UNTIL such time that the bacteria exhibit INCOORDINATION OF ACTION. That metaphysical innate intelligence of the bacteria requires a metaphysical innate brain in order to assemble these instructive information for maintaining the activity of the bacteria does it not? –

      – (3) Again VS is NOT present within the body that has full expression of its innate forces (pri13) manifesting motion (pri14 and 15) through harmonious action of ALL its parts, thus fulfilling their offices and purposes (pri32). Now invading the body is a bacteria that does NOT benefit the body. The metaphysical innate intelligence of the body adapts universal forces and energymatter providing instructive information within the metaphysical innate brain and USES the metaphysical innate brain to transmit the mental impulse to the physical brain to be distributed with intelligent direction for COORDINATION OF ACTION of ALL the parts of the body for mutual benefit (pri23). –

      – Let’s say that the metaphysical innate intelligence of the body adapts universal force and energymatter in the metaphysical innate brain to transmit the mental impulse to the physical brain to be distributed with intelligent direction for COORDINATION OF ACTION of ALL the parts of the body for mutual benefit (pri23). For that reason, a mental impulse with intelligent direction is TRANSMITTED through the nerve system to be received by the tissue cell of the spleen with the instructive information to produce a phagocyte that will destroy the bacteria that is NOT benefitting the body. That phagocyte has lysosomes, lipofusion, formed vesicles, mitochondria, vacuoles, michrocyst, cilia, anal pore, golgi apparatus, nucleus, pseudopods and endoplasmic reticulum. What do you think controls the activity of these parts of the phagocyte? And HOW is the COORDINATION OF ACTION of all the parts of that phagocyte happens. That “living thing” we call a phagocyte requires an innate intelligence does it not? Then the metaphysical innate intelligence of the phagocyte would adapt universal forces and energymatter of the phagocyte into instructive information for COORDINATION OF ACTION of all the parts of that phagocyte to maintain it in active organization UNTIL such time that the phagocyte exhibits INCOORDINATION OF ACTION. That metaphysical innate intelligence of the phagocyte requires a metaphysical innate brain in order to assemble these instructive information for maintaining the activity of the phagocyte does it not? –

      – So as you can see, there is the innate intelligence of the body, the innate intelligence of the system, the innate intelligence of the organ, the innate intelligence of the cell. In the same way that innate intelligence is a part of and a part from universal intelligence… the innate intelligence of the cell, the innate intelligence of the organ and the innate intelligence of the system is also a part of and a part from the innate intelligence of the body. –

      – IT CANNOT BE OTHERWISE! IT’S ALL ONE and the same for maintaining energymatter in existence and “living things” in active organization.

      • Steve 03/03/2014, 11:03 pm:

        You keep saying a metaphysical innate brain as if it was an accepted fact. This is where we differ, I see no proof that IB is metaphysical or needs to exist within the cell. We are told in P. No. 22. The Amount of Innate Intelligence-There is 100% of Innate Intelligence in every “living thing,” the requisite amount, proportional to its organization. A cell does not have the same level of organization as the total body . Therefore a cell would require less innate.
        It is the physical brain in a human being that uses innate intelligence to coordinate the body not the other way around. The brain also uses educated intelligence to adapt to the external environment, or try to adapt the environment to our needs.
        If you guys are going to de-personify and de-deify the laws that govern the universe, then it should be done fully and cleanly. We use gravity, gravity does not use us. We sense innate, innate has no need to sense or be aware of us, for it is unaffected by us. II is always 100%

        • JoeStrauss 03/04/2014, 9:45 pm:

          Steve you wrote, “It is the physical brain in a human being that uses innate intelligence to coordinate the body not the other way around”. You just flunked first semester chiropractic philosophy!

          • Steve 03/05/2014, 2:30 pm:

            When we talk about innate intelligence using the brain to coordinate the body we are assuming innate intelligence has desires, goals, expectations. Anthropomorphic qualities, no? What does it mean to say ii has solicitude for the tissue? Does that describe law’s love for matter? Or does it more likely carry down from the belief that ii was thought to be “god-in-man”. Is law not a tool to be used by man.
            Let me ask this, does man need gravity or does gravity need man? And this, does innate use man or does man use innate?

          • JoeStrauss 03/06/2014, 11:36 am:

            Steve, Solicitude def: “ showing or expressing concern” Universal intelligence has only one “concern”. It is concerned with maintaining matter in existence (Principle #1). The forces of ui do not have solicitude, no “concern” for the matter but to break it down into its simplest state (most stable and hence having the greatest ability to continue in existence). Innate intelligence has only one “concern”. It is concerned with maintaining matter in active organization (principle #21).
            Anthropomorphic def.: “ascribing to a non-human entity, human qualities or characteristics they really do not have”. The desire to adapt is not necessarily a human quality. It is an innate quality in plants, animals and homo sapiens that have an innate intelligence.(only those that are alive) Perhaps we need to clearly separate the activity of the ii of the body from that of the educated intelligence (and the soul-something IMO, BJ failed to do.) Human beings do many things that hinder adaptation like smoke, eat chocolate ice cream and sky dive. “Decisions, goals or expectations” are not innate intelligence driven except as they relate to keeping matter in active organization and those terms are used by chiropractic philosophers only as language of accommodation, to help explain inexplicable concepts, like when we say that universal forces are “destructive”. All other desires goals and expectations are educated and or soul driven. Eg. The desire for chocolate ice cream, sky diving as part of my bucket list goals-NOT, and the confident expectation of being in heaven one day. Plants and animals with the same ii as me do not have those desires, goals, or expectations (for ice cream, sky-diving or heaven).
            Could you tell me where it says that “ii has solicitude for the tissue”? I would like to see the context of that statement in order to comment further. Thanks.

      • Steve 03/07/2014, 11:47 pm:

        There is no context for ii’s solicitude toward matter. That was merely how I phrased the question. I am digging deep to distill the essence of innate, trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. So it is good to know that ii, as law, does not decide or want to adapt it does so regardless within the LOM and Time.

  22. Steve 03/03/2014, 9:29 pm:

    Does a tree have an innate brain?

    • Claude Lessard 03/04/2014, 12:52 pm:

      Steve,

      Is a tree a “living thing”? Obvious is it not? Does it have an innate intelligence? Obvious is it not? Does the parts of a tree need instructive information to adapt, absorb, excrete, grow, and reproduce? Obvious is it not? Do the crown, leaves, roots, trunk, stem, heartwood, xylem, sapwood, sap, cambium, phloem and bark need coordination of activities in order that its chlorophyll facilitate photosynthesis using the sun’s energy to convert carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and water from the soil into sugar and oxygen? Obvious is it not?

      – What do you think Steve… DOES a tree have an innate brain?

      • Steve 03/04/2014, 3:38 pm:

        No

        • Steve 03/04/2014, 6:36 pm:

          The forces of Innate Intelligence operate through or over the nervous system in animal bodies. In a tree the phloem surrounds the tree and circumferential interruption leads to death, one might suggest ii travels there as well. That is, if a tree has cycles beyond those of circulation.

        • Claude Lessard 03/04/2014, 7:17 pm:

          Steve,

          You posted that: “Therefore a cell would require less innate.” That statement of yours is not true. A cell has ALWAYS 100% “innate” the requisite amount proportional to its organization (pri22) does it not? –

          – Then you posted that: “It is the physical brain in a human being that uses innate intelligence to coordinate the body not the other way around.” That statement of yours is also not true. It is the function of innate intelligence to adapt universal forces and energymatter for COORDINATION OF ACTION of all the parts of the body (including the physical brain) for mutual benefit (pri23). Intelligence creates force (pri8) that unites it to energymatter and it is energymatter that expresses force (pri13) which is manifested by MOTION (pri14). It is innate intelligence that ALWAYS uses the brain to coordinate the body. Producer ALWAYS coordinate product. Does it not? —

          – Moving on further… Many posts ago, together without condemnation, through deductive reasoning, we established that the innate brain was a metaphysical concept. That’s WHY it is me WHO choose to maintain that the innate brain is a metaphysical concept. Strauss’ book “Philosophical Constructs” is doing great justice to the metaphysical concept of the innate brain “fully and cleanly” as you stipulated above. –

          – Let me shed some light on the innate brain. Principle 21 states that: the mission of innate intelligence is to MAINTAIN the material of the body of a “living thing” in ACTIVE organization. For energymatter to ACT in an organized MOTION is a VERB not a noun nor adjective. That is WHY innate intelligence is a part of and a part from universal intelligence. We are dealing with a metaphysical concept. Concepts are NEVER concrete. Concepts are merely theories… they’re NOT the truth. Concepts point to the truth. On the other hand, the PHYSICAL brain IS concrete. The physical brain is NOT a concept. The FACT that a tree is a “living thing” means that it has an innate intelligence. ALWAYS and FOREVER associated with the metaphysical innate intelligence IS the metaphysical innate brain to ASSEMBLE instructive informations. –

          – Here is a metaphor. Look at how in the past you had to FORMAT a floppy disk in order to use it with your computer. The FORMAT was specific to an Apple, Dell or an Epsilon computer. What is the ACT of FORMATTING? In this case, formatting did maintain your computer in ACTIVE organization and you could use any floppies you wanted in order to print your thoughts on paper (there was no email yet and very limited network capabilities in 1983). Again, I know that examples break down. Yet it is necessary to MOVE outside the box and not get stuck on the word brain. Innate “brain” is a good word to describe HOW the innate intelligence of a “living thing” FORMATS (read ASSEMBLES) specific instructive information for the specific energymatter of ALL “living things” to be maintained in ACTIVE organization –

          – If the “thing” is living, it has a metaphysical innate intelligence and if it has a metaphysical innate intelligence it has metaphysical innate “brain” to FORMAT specific instructive information to be expressed by specific energymatter which is manifested by MOTION, which is ACTIVE organization. The metaphysical innate “brain” is a concept that points to HOW the ACTIVITY of electrons, protons and neutrons of specific energymatter is specifically CONFIGURED and specifically MANIFESTED by specific MOTION of that specific energymatter. –

          – What do you think Steve… IS a LIVING tree maintained in ACTIVE organization though specific “tree” instructive information by its innate intelligence to specifically CONFIGURE its electrons, protons and neutrons? The answer is obvious is it not? –

          – The metaphysical innate intelligence of the LIVING tree is headquartered in the metaphysical innate “brain” and it is supplied with instructive information directly from innate intelligence. That’s WHY there is NO transmission of instructive information from metaphysical innate intelligence to metaphysical innate “brain”. There is NO necessity, innate intelligence being right here. For this reason it has ALWAYS 100% instructive information.

          • Claude Lessard 03/04/2014, 7:27 pm:

            … in other words, the innate “brain” is a purely metaphysical concepts as innate intelligence and universal intelligence are purely metaphysical concepts. The metaphysical concept of the innate “brain” clarifies and refine our understanding of the innate intelligence of the body, the innate intelligence of the system, the innate intelligence of the organ, the innate intelligence of the cell. Ultimately the maintaining of energymatter in EXISTENCE by universal intelligence and and the maintaining of the material of a “living thing” in active organization by innate intelligence is about the specific MOTION of a specific CONFIGURATION of electrons, protons and neutrons of energymatter.

    • JoeStrauss 03/04/2014, 9:32 pm:

      Steve, a material or a metaphysical innate brain?

  23. Steve 03/05/2014, 2:52 am:

    I am beginning to think that OSC has seen fit to do away with the mechanistic personification of innate intelligence but not the theological force by which it is revered. I think it’s time we took a look at what laws are, how they are expressed, how we understand them, and how we communicate their existence or activity.
    Life is the culmination of physical laws. How is that different than, life is the expression of intelligence through matter.

    • Claude Lessard 03/05/2014, 4:54 am:

      Steve,
      Where exactly do YOU see that I rely on “theological force” in my posts?
      All I have been expounding about are “what laws are, how they are expressed, how we understand them and how we communicate their existence and activity! All based on the science of the 33 chiropractic principles!

      Principle #2 states that: “The expression of this intelligence through energymatter is the chiropractic meaning of life (universal life that is EXISTENCE). Active organization is LIFE as we know it…
      that is “LIVING things”. “Living things” express the innate FORCES of their innate intelligence (which happens to be part of the chiropractic objective!). I would suggest that you read AGAIN the last Blue Book “Philosophical Constructs”. It’s very enlightening, accurate, “full and clean”.

      The. 33 principles are the authority of chiropractic and principle #20 in particular very clearly “fully and cleanly” maintains that innate intelligence IS the specific authority of chiropractors WHO choose to practice the chiropractic objective!

      • Steve 03/06/2014, 12:03 am:

        I think you give innate too much credit sometimes. It is just a group of laws, no? Laws do not make things they cause things to be made. Laws are not aware, nor do they react, they cause reactions. When you busted ii loose from its personified shackles you produced a whole new concept. Only the theological aspect gives ii the power to decide, which requires value judgments. Laws don’t change. Laws don’t need to reckon. Laws need no perceptions, they just are.

        • Claude Lessard 03/06/2014, 3:59 am:

          Steve,

          Since innate intelligence is ALWAYS 100% (pr22) and its function is ALWAYS normal (pr27)… through rational logic we can safely conclude innate intelligence has ALL the credit! Innate intelligence does not “decide” with value judgement. Innate intelligence adapts universal forces and energymatter for use in the body, so that all parts of the body will have COORDINATION OF ACTION for mutual benefit. There is ABSOLUTELY no theological aspect to innate intelligence within the 33 principles… NONE!!! That is WHY chiropractic is inclusive of everyone and separate and distinct from everything else. –

          – It is you, Steve, WHO choose to re-shackle innate intelligence with choice making that requires value judgements. That’s not HOW it is at all. WHEN you have the perfect law of active organization adapting universal forces and energymatter into perfect instructive information, WHAT happens is EXPRESSION of those instructive information by energymatter which are manifested by MOTION. No value judgements, no decision making… only perfect FUNCTION within the limitations of matter and time. So what you say is true: “laws don’t change. Laws don’t need to reckon. Laws need no perceptions, they just are.” That means that laws ACT and the innate intelligence is the PERFECT law of ACTive organization. All innate intelligence does, is… ACT 100% (pri22) … ACT normally (pr27) within the limitations of energymatter and time. No decision making, no value judgement, only perfect ACTive organization of energymatter within the limitations of matter and within the limitations of time.

      • JoeStrauss 03/06/2014, 1:03 pm:

        Claude, you wrote “All I have been expounding about are “what laws are, how they are expressed, how we understand them and how we communicate their existence and activity! All based on the science of the 33 chiropractic principles” (emphasis mine) Could we all agree without condemnation that the 33 principles are not science (empiricism) but rationalism (deductive reasoning to be exact). Clearly they have never been contradicted by science.
        I have never seen you use the third method of perception faith on this blog by relying on “theological force” in one of your posts, as was suggested. You have used it in personal conversations with me but you are always quick to add that it is your belief/faith, rather than your (deductive)Reasoningor scienceempiricism. I very much appreciate that quality and characteristic in your writing/speaking. P.S.I know TAG prefers to use the term authority rather than faith or belief but I think authority is subjective as you accurately point out in the last sentence of your post. They (the 33 principles) are the authority, not because you believe them or they have been scientifically proven empirically but because they have been demonstrated by reason and not contradicted by either your faith or science.

        • Claude 03/06/2014, 2:24 pm:

          Joseph,

          Basic Science is concerned with the process of discovery. Basic scientists seek to discover new knowledge and information without the primary concern of how the knowledge they create might be used.

          Applied Science takes information that already exists and utilizes it for the solution of an existing problem.

          Basis science is more basic in the sense that WITHOUT DISCOVERY OF PRINCIPLES there is nothing to apply. In chiropractic we have “discovered” 33 principles that are absolute and that can be applied over and over and over and over again and that are universally applicable. It’s the application of the 33 principles that maintains them basic science and not applied science. Science relies on and could not exist without basic science. As you can see, “SCIENCE” per say relies on BASIC science in order to APPLY the discoveries of BASIC science. –

          – So, there is BASIC science and there is APPLIED science. Mathematics is part of BASIC science having discovered principles. It assumes that 1+1=2. If you accept this premise, then you can use the rational logic of deductive reasoning and move to the next premise that could be 2-1=1 and so on… You can use this knowledge and apply it to biology. Chiropractic is of BASIC science having discovered principles. It assumes a major premise which is principle #1. If you accept this premise, then you can use the rational logic of deductive reasoning and move to the next premise that is principle #2 and so on… You can use this knowledge and apply it to biology. The principles of mathematics are constants and absolutes. The principles of chiropractic are constants and absolutes. That’s what makes the 33 principles the BASIC science of chiropractic. Chiropractic is philosophy, SCIENCE and art. –

          – Otherwise, Joseph, WHAT, in your opinion, is the “format” of chiropractic SCIENCE and HOW would you describe it?

          • JoeStrauss 03/11/2014, 4:13 pm:

            Claude, if the 33 principles are part of the science of chiropractic, what constitutes the philosophy of chiropractic since you say “chiropractic is a philosophy, science and art”? Science either corroborates or contradicts the philosophy. If it does the former, that is great (2 of the 3 methods of perception). If it does the latter, we are forced to choose but it does not make the philosophy into science anymore than using science to corroborate the art makes techniques into science. Some techniques use science (particularly mathematics) in their analysis. Does that make it any more or any less an art? Medical doctors have “scientifically” demonstrated that vertebrae do not subluxate. Does that mean that chiropractic is not scientific or does it mean that those mds used lousy science? (Is there such a thing as bad science?) Is the idea that “structure affects function” science or philosophy? Was it Reggie who said that chiropractic was not a philosophy, science and art but a philosophy and practice? Talk about answering a question with a question , how about answering with 6 questions? 🙂

    • JoeStrauss 03/05/2014, 9:16 pm:

      Steve, first let me apologize for my arrogant remark yesterday. We are all students of the philosophy, all prone to slipping and in need of checking. I appreciate your willingness to think and contribute to this blog. If not Claude and I would probably be just talking to each other and I would not have nearly the opportunity to learn to figure out what the heck he is trying to say. No one should ever feel put down on this blog or that their opinion/ comment is not welcomed or worthwhile. I really need to learn how to use those smiley faces. Anyway, thanks for your patience with a grouchy old man.

      • Steve 03/05/2014, 11:53 pm:

        I took no offense Joe, I’ve had better teachers than you give me an F. 🙂 I now feel as if I should question everything. As I said previously the Pygmy has lost his Giant. If I am to re-frame my views, then by golly I will start from scratch and see where that leads me. I just hope you guys don’t tire of me and run me off before I rebuild my philosophical foundation.

  24. Claude 03/05/2014, 5:26 pm:

    Steve,

    You asked: Does man need gravity or does gravity needs man? And this, does innate use man or does man use innate? –

    – Let me answer your second question first: How could man WHO is EFFECT “use” CAUSE called innate intelligence, the LAW of active organization? Remember ABOVE-DOWN-INSIDE-OUT? Effect NEVER uses CAUSE. Effects ALWAYS expresses CAUSE. (That why Joe said that you just flunked Philosophy 101) 😉 The LAW of ACTIVE organization MAINTAINS the material of the body of a “thing” LIVING (pri.21). The ONLY function of the “living thing” is to EXPRESS the instructive information of its innate intelligence (pri.13) and manifest it through MOTION (pre.14). –

    – Does man need gravity or does gravity needs man? –

    – Material man expresses immaterial law of gravity. Without immaterial law of gravity, material man would not be anchored on planet earth. Therefore, immaterial law of gravity is an essential need of material man in order to remain grounded. 😉 The life of material man depends on being subjected to the immaterial law of gravity which is expressed by material man by having two feet on the ground (most of the time) manifested by MOTION. The law of lift, drag, thrust and weight which forms the law of aerodynamic, will supersede the law of gravity for a while (bird in flight) in a temporary situation and is limited in altitude… eventually the bird will LAND for refueling. The material bird is still subjected to the immaterial law of gravity. ALL physical energymatter is subjected to the metaphysical law of gravity and expresses it according to its atomic configuration and is manifested by MOTION. –

    – Desire is NOT part of the immaterial law of gravity. It is FUNCTION that is part of immaterial law. The FUNCTION of the law of organization called universal intelligence is to create force to maintain energymatter in existence… according to the limitations of matter and the limitations of time. The FUNCTION of the law of ACTIVE organization called innate intelligence is to adapt universal forces and matter of a “thing” to maintain it LIVING… according to the limitations of matter and the limitations of time. Metaphysical LAW is about FUNCTION and has EFFECT on physical energymatter.
    No desires, no love, no “god-in-man” … simply FUNCTION. –

    – It’s really as simple as that!

    • Steve 03/05/2014, 11:46 pm:

      The question was asked to see if you can see the equation from both sides. Man needs gravity to exist and gravity needs matter such as man to be expressed. Innate intelligence would be useless without matter to organize and matter without organization could not sustain life. Man uses ii just as he uses gravity, constantly. I try to keep reminding myself we are talking about laws of organization, laws of function. Laws are not creative nor adaptive though they can cause adaptation or creation with in matter. Laws are always 100%, always the same, regardless of circumstances, unless superseded by another law.
      That man has an innate brain as well as an educated brain, one to coordinate the insides the other to coordinate with the outside, seems to be congruent with all vertebrata to some degree. Those that express innate intelligence without a brain, innate or educated, must adapt universal forces another way. The Palmers agree that in animal bodies innate force travels through the nerve system, which leads me to think by exclusion other life forms (non-verts.) adapt and transmit forces in other ways.
      Next question, is intellectual adaptation a physical or metaphysical phenomenon? Does the answer depend on whether you feel the innate brain is physical or nonphysical?

      • Claude Lessard 03/06/2014, 3:25 am:

        Steve,

        I do see the equation from both sides: –

        – One side is metaphysical law of ACTIVE organization which is perfect providing metaphysical instructive information which is perfect to physical energymatter which is imperfect uniting them both. That side of the equation is ABOVE-DOWN-INSIDE-OUT. The other side is OUTSIDE-IN-BELOW-UP. Both side are necessary for adaptation. Yet, we must remember that it is the law of ACTIVE organization that maintains the body LIVING and not the educated intelligence. –

        – Before we address intellectual adaptation we have serious work to do regarding the metaphysical innate brain of a “cellfish” cell, the metaphysical brain of a bacteria and the metaphysical brain of a phagocyte. All of them have multiple parts with multiple functions requiring COORDINATION OF ACTION. WHAT is your understanding as to HOW innate intelligence ASSEMBLES specific instructive information for ALL of the parts of the “cellfish cell, the bacteria and the phagocyte?

  25. Steve 03/07/2014, 8:02 pm:

    The forces of Innate Intelligence operate through or over the nervous system in [animal bodies]. I don’t recall anyone saying or writing about how innate intelligence does it’s job in a plant yet we assume, because it is alive, innate is on the job. If there is no nerve system then possibly there is no need for transmission. If there is no need for transmission then possibly there is no need for adaptation. Assuming that innate intelligence must have an innate brain at every level of life would seem to be ascribing anthropomorphic qualities and a little arrogant. Just as the fetus is governed by the ii of the mother, so too may the cells be organized by the bodies innate, internally as well as in aggregate.
    The step in the cycle entitled intellectual adaptation by it’s very description implies it is a function of intelligence, which suggests a decision with judgment and values is occurring. I would have you consider it more as a physical process of changing universal forces to innate forces for use in the physical body.

    • Claude Lessard 03/09/2014, 9:17 pm:

      Steve,

      Since, you cannot “see” that the ALL parts of a “cellfish” cell (due to VS), or that ALL the parts of a bacteria, or that ALL the parts of a phagocyte, need COORDINATION OF ACTION without using the PHYSICAL brain of the LIVING body, let me show you another situation, that you are very familiar with, to illustrate COORDINATION OF ACTION without the participation of the PHYSICAL brain. –

      – ALL reflex arcs occur locally in the SPINAL CORD. A reflex does not occur as a result of the PHYSICAL brain being used by innate intelligence for the COORDINATION OF ACTION of ALL of the necessary cells involved in intelligent reflex activities. –

      – DID YOU EVER NOTICED THAT YOU DON’T REALIZE THAT YOU FELT SOMETHING PAINFUL UNTIL AFTER A REFLEX MOVEMENT IS OVER? OR THAT YOU DO NOT “REGISTER” THAT YOU HAVE MOVE YOUR LEG DURING A KNEE JERK TEST ONLY AFTER YOUR LEG HAS MOVED? WHY IS THAT? –

  26. Claude Lessard 03/09/2014, 9:28 pm:

    … in other words, can you “see” the level of innate intelligence of a system called “reflex arc”, the same way as the innate intelligence of the cardiovascular system, the innate intelligence of the respiratory system, the innate intelligence of the digestive system?

  27. Claude Lessard 03/11/2014, 6:48 pm:

    Joseph,

    – Question #1: “if the 33 principles are part of the science of chiropractic, what constitutes the philosophy of chiropractic since you say “chiropractic is a philosophy, science and art”?” –

    – Answer: Chiropractic philosophy is the relationship between chiropractic science, chiropractic art and chiropractic practice. It is the relationship between innate intelligence, innate brain, physical brain, innate body, educated intelligence and educated body. It is the relationship between all of the chiropractic cycles. It is the relationship between the 33 principles and the 414 articles thereof. Chiropractic philosophy is ultimately the link, the bond, the correlation of WHY chiropractic is WHAT it IS and what it is NOT; WHAT chiropractic does, and what it does NOT; HOW and WHY chiropractic does WHAT it does. –

    – … to be continued. 😉

    • Claude Lessard 03/12/2014, 3:35 am:

      Joseph,

      Question #2: “Some techniques use science (particularly mathematics) in their analysis. Does that make it any more or any less an art?” –

      Answer: Many fields of endeavor apply the knowledge and information of Basic Science in order to solve some encountered problems. Remember what I wrote? “Basic Science is concerned with the process of discovery. Basic scientists seek to discover new knowledge and information without the primary concern of how the knowledge they create might be used.” If it is Vivaldi WHO chose to apply the principles of the BASIC science of mathematics to compose the “Four Seasons”, it does not make his art “scientific” as compared Mozart’s Minuet.. If it is Shakespeare WHO chose to apply the principles of the BASIC science of mathematics to compose the sequential sonnets in “Hamlet”, it does not make his art “scientific” as compared to Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. If it is a chiropractor WHO chose to apply the principles of the Basic science of mathematics for her technique, it does not make her art “scientific” as compared to your technique. –

      – It is Chiropractors WHO choose to apply the principles of the BASIC science of chiropractic, in order to practice the chiropractic objective, WHO are consistent in their approach! –

      – How else would you be checking your slippings?

      • Claude Lessard 03/12/2014, 11:48 am:

        Joseph,

        – Question #3: “Medical doctors have “scientifically” demonstrated that vertebrae do not subluxate. Does that mean that chiropractic is not scientific or does it mean that those mds used lousy science?” –

        – Answer: There are no BASIC science principles that could provide knowledge and information to medical doctors for them to apply, in order to demonstrate the metaphysical component of vertebral subluxation which CANNOT be measured empirically. It can ONLY be demonstrated through rational logic and deductive reasoning… which is NOT medicine’s preferred method of perception. The method preferred of perception of medicine is empiricism. Yet, empiricism is NOT the only method of perception used by medicine, The preferred method of perception of chiropractic is rationalism, more specifically… deductive reasoning. Yet, deductive reasoning is NOT the only method of perception used by chiropractic. –

        – Question #4: “Is there such a thing as bad science?” –

        – Answer: There are three types of science: BASIC science, APPLIED science and PSEUDO science. –

        – Question #5: “Is the idea that “structure affects function” science or philosophy?” –

        – Answer: Interference with transmission in the body is ALWAYS directly or indirectly due to vertebral subluxations (pr.31) which violates the principle of COORDINATION (pr.32). Therefore, we can conclude, together without condemnation, that VS affects function demonstrated from the knowledge and information provided by principle #31 of chiropractic science which makes this idea science. The good news is that the 33 principles of the of chiropractic science are the stable platform on which the chiropractic philosophy stands. In chiropractic there are on conflicts between its philosophy, science and art. Hopefully chiropractors are the ones WHO choose to practice the chiropractic objective. –

        – Question #6: “Was it Reggie who said that chiropractic was not a philosophy, science and art but a philosophy and practice?” –

        – Answer: Since chiropractic philosophy is the relationship between chiropractic science, chiropractic art and chiropractic practice, all that is necessary to practice the objective of chiropractic is to OWN the philosophy. The philosophy is also the relationship between the 33 principles and the 414 articles thereof… and HOW the art of chiropractic does WHAT it does. –

        – In other words, a way to clarify Reggie’s statement is that: If one OWNS the philosophy (which relates to the science and the art), one can choose to practice the chiropractic objective. –

        • Claude Lessard 03/12/2014, 11:56 am:

          … in other words, the 33 principles may be the ONLY chiropractic science. 🙂

          • Claude Lessard 03/12/2014, 11:57 am:

            … which is a BASIC science!

  28. Steve 03/12/2014, 4:20 pm:

    So in essence you are saying, 1 Chiropractic Philosophy is everything it takes to support the objective of LACVS. 2 Science defines and circumscribes the chiropractic objective. 3 Not all science has the same value for all situations. 4 There is no bad science just bad scientists. 5 Because “structure affects function” supports the chiropractic objective it is both science and philosophy. 6 Philosophy encompasses science and art/practice.
    Could we therefore surmise that the philosophical objective of chiropractic is defined by science and demonstrated by art?

    • JoeStrauss 03/12/2014, 5:55 pm:

      Steve are you saying that according to Claude anything and everything that supports the chiropractic objective is chiropractic philosophy and do you agree with that idea?

      • Steve 03/12/2014, 7:07 pm:

        There are 5 branches of philosophy….. At the root is Metaphysics, the study of existence and the nature of existence. Closely related is Epistemology, the study of knowledge and how we know about reality and existence. Dependent on Epistemology is Ethics, the study of how man should act. Ethics is dependent on Epistemology because it is impossible to make choices without knowledge. A subset of Ethics is Politics: the study of how men should interact in a proper society and what constitutes proper. Esthetics, the study of art and sense of life is slightly separate, but depends on Metaphysics, Epistemology, and Ethics.
        As these branches are intertwined so are the art and science within the philosophy. It is hard for me to imagine any facet of the philosophy that does not support the objective, directly or indirectly. Vice versa should also hold true, anything that relates to the objective would be within the philosophy.
        Oh wouldst thou show me the error of my ways, kind sir?

    • Claude Lessard 03/14/2014, 12:08 am:

      Steve,

      A few corrections that I highlighted. –

      – 1 Chiropractic philosophy is everything it takes to support the CHIROPRACTIC objective of LACVS for A FULL EXPRESSION OF THE INNATE FORCES OF THE INNATE INTELLIGENCE OF THE LIVING VERTEBRATE BODY. PERIOD! 2 CHIROPRACTIC science defines and circumscribes the chiropractic objective. 3 Not all science has the same value for all situations. 4 There is no bad science just bad scientists. 5 Because “structure affects function” supports the chiropractic objective it is CHIROPRACTIC science AND… CHIROPRACTIC philosophy, since CHIROPRACTIC philosophy is the WHY chiropractic does WHAT it does. 6 CHIROPRACTIC philosophy is the BOND (read WHY) between CHIROPRACTIC science and CHIROPRACTIC art and CHIROPRACTIC practice.
      Could we therefore surmise that the philosophical objective of chiropractic is defined by CHIROPRACTIC science and demonstrated by CHIROPRACTIC art? –

      – Answer: YES! And it is chiropractic philosophy that provides instructive information that creates the only POSSIBILITY for a chiropractor to be one WHO may choose to practice the chiropractic objective! –

      ———————————————————————————————–
      – If you want to find out if you are an objective chiropractor, you basically have to walk backward from the way you practice. –

      – You have to ask yourself: –

      – Does the way I practice support the chiropractic objective?

      – In order to find that out, you have to ask: Does my technique (art) supports the chiropractic objective according to chiropractic philosophy? Knowing that chiropractic philosophy states that… ultimately it is the innate intelligence of the body that ADAPTS your adjustic thrust (educated universal force) in order to produce a vertebral adjustment to correct the vertebral subluxation. Or as YOU would say: “Ultimately it is the innate intelligence of the body that ADAPTS your vertebral adjustment (educated universal thrust) to make the correction of the vertebral subluxation.”

      – Then you would have to look at chiropractic science, with its 33 principles, and conclude that the chiropractic objective is deduced from those principles and see it as a true conclusion. –

      – Then you would know the reason WHY it is you WHO would choose to continue BE a chiropractor WHO chooses to practice the chiropractic objective (which is the philosophical answer as to WHY). –

      – Do you “see” that if you can MOVE from OBSERVING the way YOU PRACTICE, to OBSERVING the technique of chiropractic ART that you use, to OBSERVING HOW the chiropractic objective is deduced from the 33 principles of chiropractic SCIENCE, that you would OWN chiropractic PHILOSOPHY and know WHY it is you WHO can choose to practice the chiropractic objective? –

      – If a chiropractor cannot do that, it is time for the chiropractor to go back and learn further the chiropractic philosophy and get more knowledge and information from the chiropractic science with its 33 principles.

      • Claude Lessard 03/14/2014, 12:35 am:

        … in other words, ALL the facets of chiropractic philosophy support the chiropractic objective which is derived from the 33 principles of chiropractic science to be applied through chiropractic art to practice the chiropractic objective. That which relates to the chiropractic objective (LACVS for a full expression of the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the LIVING vertebrate body. PERIOD!) which is derived from the absolute 33 principles of chiropractic science and expressed through the manifestation of a chiropractic technique IS correlated by chiropractic philosophy.

      • Joe Strauss 03/14/2014, 2:08 pm:

        Claude a few comments/questions on your “corrections”:

        1. Is the chiropractic objective to LACVS for the FEIFIILVB?
        1a. Is it rather presumptuous of us to call that chiropractic when others have been and still are calling that (LACVS for the FEIFIILVB) straight chiropractic, OSC, OC, NTOSC and TSC (granted the latter is for the purpose of getting sick people well).
        1b. That raises another question: Should we add the letters N(ot)FPGSPW on the end of our objective or perhaps a PERIOD is sufficient? Wait a minute Dr. Donofrio has already suggested that we put the period after LACVS and most of us have agreed.
        1c. Is it rather presumptuous of us to maintain or imply that LACVS is the only way of having a full expression of the IFIILVB and how does that stop a TSCor from implying that is what is GSPW?
        I’ll respond to 2-6, hopefully in a more intelligent manner, at a later time. I’ve wasted enough of everyone’s time writing silly replies to your serious comment!

        • Steve 03/14/2014, 10:38 pm:

          Not that it counts for much, but I think the chiropractic objective is LACVS. The mere fact that they are anti-survival in and of themselves is sufficient justification for care and for a profession. For FEIFIILVB is a damn good reason why, but shouldn’t the “objective” question get a “what” answer? JOMO

          • Joe Strauss 03/15/2014, 2:03 pm:

            Steve, does that make the chiropractic objective pretty much meaningless? LACVS to make a million dollars, get rid of back pain, or cure a kidney problem would all fit your criteria? If md’s began to LACVS in order to treat some medical conditions would that make us no longer necessary? Isn’t that why Shegataro Morikubo was charged with practicing osteopathy without a license in 1907? IOW isn’t the why important and you added a great why (because they are anti-survival in and of themselves). I think that the answer should have a what and a why to it. Perhaps the 4th component of the VS (interference with transmission of mental impulses between brain cell and tissue cell) gives us the why, in which case Claude’s FEIFIILVB is unnecessarily redundant and LACVS answers both the what and the why, making the practice of (OS) chiropractic truly in the mind/intention of the chiropractor. We cannot know why a chiropractor is LACVS unless he/she truthfully tells us. Yours and anyone else’s further thoughts would be appreciated.

  29. Steve 03/16/2014, 7:04 pm:

    It may sound heretical but I am not sure I care why someone would choose to LACVS as long as they do it efficiently. If s/he is genuinely interested in offering an educated universal force in a scientifically artfull manner to encourage innate intelligence to respond with a correction of boney alignment therefore restoring normal tone to the dis-eased nerve so that the forces of innate intelligence may be better expressed in the living body of the vertebrate, well hell, I can live with that. Do I care if the next adjustment I get is for the Dr’s fame, fortune, religious or meical beleifes, no. That’s on her/im. As long as my ii accepts and adapts the force for good and I gain positive survival value, what does it matter why? Do you think ii considers the motivation behind the EUF?
    Far from meaningless, LACVS is the greatest thing one person can do for another.

    SNSC

    • Joe Strauss 03/17/2014, 1:50 pm:

      That doesn’t’ sound heretical to me Steve. It sounds like what most TSCors are doing, have come to think and are giving the world the impression that that’s what the purpose of chiropractic is, to get sick people well more “efficiently”. That is the worst thing that BJ left us. Neither TSChiropractic or medicine appears to give a hoot about health or life. TSC is about getting some sick people well and medicine is about having all people die symptom free. That unfortunately, is the frame of reference in which the world thinks today. Wait until I have a problem and then have it treated by whatever seems to be the most effective, medicine or to “encourage innate intelligence to respond with a correction of boney alignment therefore restoring normal tone to the dis-eased nerve so that the forces of innate intelligence may be better expressed in the living body of the vertebrate.” I guess if we can live with that the world and chiropractic will continue to muddle on as it has for the past 100 plus years while millions of people die from the cause of their first symptom or limitations of matter and most likely chiropractic will continue to degenerate into what people think it does best, address musculoskeletal problems. In which case, everyone will be getting the next adjustment “for the Dr’s fame, fortune, religious or meical beleifes..” (sic). The positive survival values of the occasional adjustment will not outweigh the negative survival values of life and the world will not be a healthier place. That seems to be the TSC model that BJ left us and what many upper cervical chiropractors are content to practice. Are you okay with that? I’m not. I don’t think the ii considers “the motivation behind the EUF”. But I think the chiropractor should sure as hell consider it.

  30. Claude 03/17/2014, 3:58 pm:

    The chiropractic objective is deduced from the function of energymatter which is to express FORCE (pr.13) created by intelligence (pri.8) which is manifested by MOTION (pri.14). When universal forces and matter are adapted by innate intelligence (pr.23), which always normal (pri.27), these innate forces operate through or over the nervous system (pr.28) in the living vertebrate body. There can be interference to the TRANSMISSION of innate forces (pr.29) that is always directly or indirectly due to vertebral subluxation (pr.31) which then violate principle #32. –

    – It is the authority of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s very own basic science that determines the chiropractic objective which is to: LACVS for a full expression of the FORCES of the innate intelligence of the body. Period! –

    – Does it not seem to all of you rather crystal clear, based on the AUTHORITY of the 33 principles, that the purpose of LACVS is to introduce a specific EUF in the hope that innate intelligence of the body will produce a vertebral adjustment to correct the interference to the TRANSMISSION of its instructive information? Can you all “see” that, regardless of what others saying, that LACVS is not to make a million dollars, or to treat disease, or for religious beliefs, or to get sick people well? How do others substantiate their choice? –

    – Is it not ONLY the objective chiropractor WHO can substantiate that the chiropractic objective is deduced from the authority of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s own basic science and that it should be the INTENT of ALL those WHO chose to be chiropractors? –

  31. Steve 03/17/2014, 5:13 pm:

    Maybe the question of what the objective means to the receiver is more valid. If one truly understands the subluxation then they would seek out a good adjuster and get checked regularly. As stated earlier I think the objective question expects a what answer. The question of why we give and why they receive has many many answers, and most often not the same for giver and receiver. I tend to think about it this way, chiropractic is what it is. No matter who does it or why they do it, if it is done correctly, innate does not discriminate.

    • Claude Lessard 03/17/2014, 5:35 pm:

      WHAT is the objective of chiropractic and WHY should a person be under regular chiropractic care? The objective of chiropractic is to: LACVS for a full expression of the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the body. PERIOD! It truly includes the WHAT and the WHY from the ONLY chiropractic authority… the 33 principles. That’s WHAT the chiropractic objective is… REGARDLESS of the meaning that the receiver choose to give it. Chiropractic is WHAT it is, as you said so well. That is WHY that it is objective chiropractors WHO choose to practice the chiropractic objective which is deduced from the absolute authority of the principles of chiropractic science. That is a standard that comes from the 33 principles. Whether or not it is me WHO choose to practice the chiropractic objective is really up to me. Let it be known that the intent to practice something other than the chiropractic objective (WHAT and WHY) is not the practice of chiropractic as specified within the 33 principles of chiropractic’s basic science. And Joseph was right when he posted that “we cannot know why a chiropractor is LACVS unless he/she truthfully tells us”.

      • Claude Lessard 03/17/2014, 5:41 pm:

        … in other words the chiropractic objective is WHAT it is! It’s NEVER about the WHAT… it’s ALWAYS about the WHO and our intent which is manifested through WHO we choose to BE.

      • Steve 03/17/2014, 8:28 pm:

        I know you love to answer a question with a question, but here you answer a question with two questions. What’s up with that?
        Since intent is the why, is it not the why that determines the who, and the who that determines the what, and the what that determines the when, and the when that determines the where, and the where that determines the how. How of course being a demonstrative example of why.
        An explanation….(WHY?)I became a chiropracTOR because my dad taught me that everybody’s body works better without subluxations…. (WHO?)Knowing that, I choose to practice OC…… (WHAT?)To practice OC, I must focus upon LACVS….. (WHEN?)This leads me to investigate as to when my patients are subluxated…… (WHERE?)When they are subluxated, I must decipher where in the spine the adjustment will be most effective…… (HOW?)The technique I use must address the segment in the most efficient manner…… (WHY?)When this is accomplished I can rest assured I have done everything humanly possible to assist that person on their journey through life with their intelligence guiding their matter.

        • Claude 03/17/2014, 10:09 pm:

          WHO chooses the intent! This is NOT a question! It is a statement of fact! It’s ALWAYS about the WHO!!!

          • Joe Strauss 03/18/2014, 2:12 am:

            Is it just me or does anyone else sometimes wonder whether they are reading a chiropractic philosophy blog, a Dr. Seuss book or an Abbot and Costello dialogue?:)

      • Don 03/19/2014, 1:07 am:

        Joe,
        That would depend on WHO is asking the question, wouldn`t it? 🙂

  32. Steve 03/18/2014, 1:48 pm:

    I believe that you’re right,
    and Claude’s bubble would burst,
    if I contest his contention ,
    that WHO is on first.

  33. Claude Lessard 03/19/2014, 4:07 am:

    Joseph, –

    – I believe you’re right also. –

    – It just that Steve doesn’t really knows that WHO is on first and he doesn’t really know WHY. –

    – WHY?

    – WHY is out in left field. That’s really WHY. –

    – WHO is the ONLY one WHO chooses to be ON……. first! –

    – Are you truly thinking that Abbot and Costello are in on this blog? 😉

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