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Results are meaningful to people who have little or no knowledge of chiropractic. That may be satisfactory for lay people. But chiropractors who talk about (“miracle”) results are only showing their ignorance of the depth, breadth and the objective of chiropractic.

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  1. Steve 03/24/2014, 10:36 pm:

    Joe, I think you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Research has shown that chiropractic can help people get well, sometimes. It is a valid part of our history. Yes, we understand chiro. is so much more than healthcare but physical functional improvement is the end goal, is it not? That this improvement is often imperceptible does not justify your abhorrence to helping the sick, does it?
    Do you honestly think chiropractic would have survived solely as a metaphysical booster?
    After all, OCs look for “results”, even if it is only less subluxation induced interference.
    I ask again, why would anyone become a chiropractor if it did not help (get results with) people and animals?

    • Joe Strauss 03/25/2014, 8:37 am:

      Steves are ganging up on me! Where are you Claude when I need you?
      Chiropractic is based upon principles (33 of them). Functional improvement occurs every time we LACVS but sometimes not sufficiently to enable a person to get well or even to keep them from dying. Is that the fault of chiropractic? Does chiropractic fail to get people well sometimes or is that not its purpose? Do we want to take the credit but not the blame? I don’t abhor “helping the sick”. Neither do I don’t abhor helping the non sick. I do abhor helping only the sick, those who only want or feel the need for results.
      Do you think chiropractic should serve as a method of getting sick people well? Chiropractic gets “results” because of how fantastic the innate intelligence of the body is, not because of what we do . It was doing it long before 1895. All we do is introduce a uf (which tend to be destructive toward structural matter) and the ii of the PM makes of that something great (an adjustment) and as a result does something great (restores the expression of intelligence through matter) which most of the time results in no outward manifestations. On occasion it results is observable outward manifestations on which (fortunately) our profession was built and survived. “…less subluxation induced interference” should be sufficient “results” for the chiropractor IMO. But that only occurs with a strong philosophy.

      • Steve 03/25/2014, 2:24 pm:

        The teacher doth protest too much, methinks. You can’t have it both ways, “I do abhor helping only the sick, those who only want or feel the need for results” and “On occasion it results is observable outward manifestations on which (fortunately) our profession was built and survived”. If it weren’t for the sick getting well, where would we be?
        Just for the record I think there is a big difference between accidental universal forces (before and after 1895) and educated universal forces (only after 1895). Also, “not because of what we do” is an insult to the Palmers and all of chiropractic. Our “contribution” has changed many, many lives. An adjustment that facilitates a correction is not an incidental thing. As for credit and blame, I personally accept neither. When they get better it is chiropractic, when they don’t it is limits of matter.
        While we’re here, let me mention I think your original post violates Principle 17.
        PS When I grow up I want to write as eloquently as Dr Tullius

        • Joe Strauss 03/25/2014, 6:04 pm:

          Steve, a sneaky debaters trick. You took two unrelated thoughts and put them together making it sound like I was contradicting myself. The first statement was related to what I prefer to do in practice as a chiropractor. The second was related to what the innate intelligence of a practice member’s body does in bringing about normal function with or without it (the ii of the PM) making an adjustment. People were getting well from medical conditions before and after 1895 regardless of whether an adjustment was given. Aside from the fact that I mistyped “it results is” when I meant it results in, you make it sound like no one ever got well before 1895 and no one got well after 1895 unless a specific chiropractic adjustment was given by a chiropractor….“not because of what we do” is not an insult to chiropractic or the Palmers. I learned that from their philosophy. It is an insult to those who believe that their technique and only their technique is what gets sick people well. You claim not to want to take credit nor blame but you also maintain that “When they get better it is chiropractic” inferring that without a chiropractor they could not get well. To my mind that is taking credit. I would be interested in hearing how you see the original post violates Principle 17.

          • Steve 03/26/2014, 2:11 pm:

            No debater’s trick here, you overestimate my sophistication. First you said you did not prefer to adjust people who were looking for better health, then you say thank goodness chiropractic helps people with their health problems. Is this not a contradiction?
            It is you that exaggerates my statements. I never said no one got well before or only got well after. I said the adjustment (EUF) was more efficient than leaving it to chance.
            Because of what we do…Harvey Lillard could hear Bowwd, the eight cases got better Bowwd, thousands in the research facility got well Bowwd, millions of patients/PMs have improved lives Bowwd. It is not the chiropracTOR but the chiropracTIC that makes the difference. Sometimes only a little, sometimes all the difference in the world.
            P. 17 states..Every effect has a cause and every cause has effects. Every adjustment should yield results. From the miniscule to the miraculous, don’t forget we are working with the power that animates the universe.

          • Joe Strauss 03/26/2014, 11:07 pm:

            Steve, actually what I said (or was trying to say) was that I prefer not to adjust people who “are looking for better health” by addressing the symptoms of their medical condition, even if it is by a chiropractic adjustment. IOW using chiropractic as a giant aspirin. Chiropractic is the only approach that addresses health by correcting the cause of DIS-EASE.
            With regard to principle #17, I would suggest that every adjustment yields a result (causes an effect) or it is not an adjustment. In which case it still causes an effect, a universal force. Those results of an adjustment may and, more often than not, are miniscule (imperceptible).

          • Steve 03/27/2014, 4:45 pm:

            Would you please explain the connection, from an OC perspective, between dis-ease and health. Then please explain how your statement “Chiropractic is the only approach that addresses health by correcting the cause of DIS-EASE”, does not translate into chiropractic gets people well? Or did I misread you again?

          • Joe Strauss 04/03/2014, 5:45 am:

            DIS-EASE is a chiropractic term and has only one meaning. Health is a “medical” term and has many different definitions…harmonious function, absence of disease or infirmity, etc. Perhaps that is why the terms “disease” and “health” do not appear in the 33 Principles. B.J. alludes to or actually says that chiropractic gets sick people well over 400 times in the Green Books and only once defines that as the correction of vertebral subluxation to correct the cause of DIS-EASE. That creates some of our confusion. Posted from Sweden.

          • Straight DC 04/02/2014, 8:46 pm:

            Would someone please respond to Steve’s comment of 3/27/2014 4:45pm (or any other previous statement) – I am suffering from Chiropractic Outside the Box Blog Withdrawal. It has become my mid-day philosophy perk. Thank-you- everyone who comments-it is very stimulating to think through. I do miss not reading them.

  2. Steve Tullius 03/24/2014, 10:46 pm:

    Our 33 principles seem to refute this post in ways.

    We recognize a Universal Intelligence and an Innate Intelligence. We put forth that the mission of II is to maintain the body in active organization and it’s functions allow for the adaptation of UFs for the benefit of the organism.

    We then recognize that interference can and does occur and that VS represents one such occurrence.

    It logically follows that interference will result in dis-ease which leads to incoordination of function and ultimately, symptoms and what medicine labels “disease.”

    It naturally follows that the removal of this interference will lead to restoration of function which necessarily produces results.

    If chiropractic is not about results then it is about nothing and leads to little to no accountability.

    We expect restoration of normal cycles to ensue, which, by the nature of the human body and II, will necessarily have improvements in the expression of life, health function and well-being.

    Granted, we do not know what “results” will be produced, we do indeed know that an individual is better off without VS than with it. Otherwise, what’s the point in getting checked?

    • Joe Strauss 03/25/2014, 9:56 am:

      Steve Tullius, you wrote, “We recognize a Universal Intelligence and an Innate Intelligence. We put forth that the mission of II is to maintain the body in active organization and it’s functions allow for the adaptation of UFs for the benefit of the organism. “ Agreed
      “We then recognize that interference can and does occur and that VS represents one such occurrence.” Agreed
      “It logically follows that interference will result in dis-ease which leads to incoordination of function and ultimately, symptoms and what medicine labels “disease.” Not agreed Perhaps that is TSC logic but not according to the 33 principles. In them there is no mention of symptoms or disease. What are the results this “restoration of function which necessarily produces”? I would maintain that the results are better expression of the forces of the innate intelligence of the body. Nothing more, nothing less.
      I am accountable to God, the State, my wife, and my conscience. That’s enough accountability for me. That’s why I would tell every new person coming in the office, “I cannot and will not be responsible for results”. “if you want the fastest, most effective but temporary medical results, take drugs.” (to which most answer that they have already gone that route). If you want to see if the innate intelligence of your body can heal itself, give it a chance, time and a good nerve supply. I will be responsible for the latter. I take no other responsibility. It is true “We expect restoration of normal cycles to ensue, which, by the nature of the human body and II, will necessarily have improvements in the expression of life, health function and well-being.” That and only that are my “results” and what that will look like in any individual, I cannot say. We must get the P.M. on the same results page that we are on. Not coming in the office looking for medical results which may or may not occur, but “chiropractic results”. Some of my best and longest standing PMs never saw a change in their medical problem but they got the big idea and stayed with chiropractic care. Medical results through chiropractic adjustments is what TSC is offering, IMO. That is not what NTOSC is all about. Thanks for the opportunity to share my vision Steve. I am doing an ACP this weekend in Sweden and I remember how very much I enjoyed meeting and talking with you for the first time at a Minnesota ACP. I have followed and appreciated your contribution to chiropractic since then.

      • Claude Lessard 03/25/2014, 1:35 pm:

        The authority of the chiropractic principles requires us to be accountable to ALL 33! According to principle #27: “innate intelligence is ALWAYS normal and its function is ALWAYS normal.” It is the function of the LAW of ACTIVE ORGANIZATION to adapt universal forces and energymatter for use in the body (pri.23), which is ALWAYS normal (pri.27), according to the limitations of energymatter and time (pri.6, 24). It is NEVER the LAW that is limited… it is energymatter and time that are ALWAYS limited. –

        – Therefore we can conclude, together without condemnation, that principle #27 articulates that the ONLY positive survival value derived from the rational logic of deductive reasoning of LACVS…… is a full and NORMAL EXPRESSION of the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the body according the limitations of its own energymatter.

        • Steve 03/25/2014, 2:28 pm:

          Is the “normal [expression] of the innate forces” physical or metaphysical?

          • Claude 03/25/2014, 3:14 pm:

            Let me help you answer that question. HOW are innate instructive information expressed through energy matter?

      • Steve Tullius 03/26/2014, 12:59 am:

        Dr. Strauss, you said, “It is true ‘We expect restoration of normal cycles to ensue, which, by the nature of the human body and II, will necessarily have improvements in the expression of life, health function and well-being.’ That and only that are my “results” and what that will look like in any individual, I cannot say. We must get the P.M. on the same results page that we are on. Not coming in the office looking for medical results which may or may not occur, but ‘chiropractic results’.”

        I think we are on the same page here and that is what I explain to my PM and public as well. I explain our objective and then ask them if chiropractic is a “treatment for x, y or z.” Invariably they understand it is not a treatment for the condition but an opportunity for restoration to occur.

        That, combined with the explanation of limitations of matter seems to handle this issue quite well. I explain to them that I have no idea how their life will improve, only that, because of the items I outlined earlier, I expect it will in various ways that I am not in control of.

        • Steve Tullius 03/26/2014, 1:00 am:

          BTW… I very much enjoyed getting to spend that ACP weekend in Minnesota learning from you! A highlight in my career thus far for sure!!

          • Andy Roberts 03/26/2014, 1:55 pm:

            brown noser

          • Joe Strauss 03/26/2014, 5:37 pm:

            Andy, welcome to the blog. You have a lot of great thoughts that would be helpful to this blog. Perhaps more time spent in this type of venue and less playing in the sand with the other kids would make your overall contribution to chiropractic more valuable than it already is (only probably not nearly as much fun). Even though your first comment will hardly qualify for my (and co-author Steve Tullius) future book, Andy Roberts’s Words of Wisdom , it’s nice to have you contributing.

  3. Steve 03/25/2014, 4:34 pm:

    Since your response indicates a physical expression, then I would ask you the same question. How is this expression manifested physically, by structure or function?

    • Claude Lessard 03/25/2014, 6:26 pm:

      Steve,

      It’s neither. When you figure HOW innate instructive information are expressed through energymatter… you will have the answer to your question. 😉

      • Claude 04/02/2014, 10:18 pm:

        Straight,

        It’s a good idea even though the question is addressed to Joseph. He is coming back from Sweden tomorrow night. HOW would you choose to comment on what Steve asked of Joseph? : “Would you please explain the connection, from an OC perspective, between dis-ease and health.” 😉

  4. Don 03/26/2014, 11:03 pm:

    Steve Tullius mentioned that chiropractic is an opportunity for restoration to occur. The question I am left with then is what would that look like?

    Can a chiropractic practice be results driven and/or results oriented?

    I know many that use outcome assessment tools, many of which are pain based, others that are less so. Examples of these are SF-36, SF-12.

    My question is, what outcome assessment tools would not show a persons ignorance of the philosophy?

  5. Claude Lessard 04/03/2014, 10:45 am:

    … therefore, there are NO connection whatsoever between DIS-EASE and health. Chiropractic is NOT about health, absence of disease or symptoms… Chiropractic IS about a full expression of innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the body. In other words, chiropractic IS about LIFE (health being only 15% of the human experience).

    • Steve 04/03/2014, 5:56 pm:

      Can you have true health with dis-ease present in the body (nerve system)?

      • Claude Lessard 04/03/2014, 10:43 pm:

        Steve,

        May be you did not read my previous post correctly. I am going to restate it in a different way. –

        – Based on the ONLY authority of chiropractic, the 33 principles, (not DD, not BJ, not RWS, not Reggie, not Strauss…) chiropractic is NOT about health (TRUE or FAKE or ADULTERATED in any shape or form). Chiropractic is NOT about the absence of diseases or symptoms. Chiropractic is NOT about getting sick people well. There is NO mention of health in the 33 principles at all. There is mention of LIFE or “living thing” or “animal bodies” at least 12 times (pri.2,3,4,5,14,18,19,20,21,22,26,28). Chiropractic is about the NORMAL (pri.27) expression of innate FORCES (pri.13,23). In other words, chiropractic is NOT about your pain, chiropractic is NOT about your back, chiropractic is NOT about your health, chiropractic is NOT your performance, chiropractic is NOT about your potential, chiropractic is NOT about ANYTHING other than… chiropractic IS about your LIFE!!! (pri3,10,13,14,21,23,27). –

        – In other words, the normal expression of innate forces (without interference) by the body IS normal life (pri.3,10,13,14,21,23,27). Interference with the transmission of innate forces (instructive information from innate intelligence) is the CAUSE of a NOT normal life (27,29,30,31). –

        – There is NO connection between DIS-EASE and TRUE health (whatever that is) or FALSE health (whatever that is). –

        – Once again, based on the ONLY authority of chiropractic, the 33 principles, CHIROPRACTIC IS ABOUT LIFE!!!

        • Steve 04/07/2014, 1:36 pm:

          So is normal expression of the innate forces a cause or an effect?

          • Claude Lessard 04/07/2014, 5:30 pm:

            Steve,

            WHAT a profound question!!! Would you like to answer it or would you prefer others to answer your question? 😉

          • Joe Strauss 04/07/2014, 8:01 pm:

            Principle No.17

      • Steve 04/07/2014, 7:03 pm:

        I have a few thots Claude, but would enjoy some opinions from the learned gentlemen/ladies that are willing to bestow their exceptional wisdom upon this neophyte.

        • Steve 04/08/2014, 1:53 pm:

          Thanks for the illuminating response Joe.
          So according to Joe, “normal expression of the innate forces”, must be both cause and effect. The effect of normal transmission of innate forces through normal matter in normal time, as well as the cause of life.
          OK now that I have stuck my neck out (chiro pun) do as thou wilst.

          • Claude Lessard 04/08/2014, 4:01 pm:

            According to the authority of the 33 principles, the major premise states that metaphysical intelligence is CAUSE and the ONLY function of metaphysical intelligence is to create metaphysical force which are instructive information (pri.8). Metaphysical Intelligence is ALWAYS normal and its function is ALWAYS normal (pri.27). Therefore, together without condemnation, we conclude that metaphysical innate forces (uf adapted by ii) are ALWAYS normal and outside of space and time. –

            – These normal metaphysical innate forces are assembled and expressed within metaphysical innate brain which is located wherever innate intelligence is. Energymatter expresses normal metaphysical forces (pri.13) as it is united to metaphysical intelligence (pri.10) which is CAUSE for manifesting MOTION in e/matter (pri14) or CAUSE for manifesting coordinated action of ALL part of the body for mutual benefit (pr.23). Without interference with their TRANSMISSION, those metaphysical innate forces (metaphysical instructive information) are CAUSE and are normally expressed IN energymatter (pri.13 and 21) which will CAUSE an effect to the electrons, protons and neutrons of energymatter to have NORMAL configuration and NORMAL motion will then be manifested BY e/matter(pri14, 15, 23 and 27)). The specific properties (configuration) of electrons, protons and neutrons is CAUSE and the specific action (velocity) is the effect (pro.1). MOTION is definitely the effect (pri.14 and 15). –

            – In other words, normal expression of innate forces IN energymatter (pri13) is CAUSE and the manifestation of motion BY energymatter is effect (pri.14 and 15). –

            – It is extremely important that we understand the distinction between expression IN e/matter (pri.13) and manifestation BY e/matter. (pri14). –

            ——————————————-

            As references, in the dictionaries the definitions read: –

            ex·pres·sion
            ikˈspreSHən/Submit
            noun
            1.
            the process of making known one’s thoughts or feelings.

            man·i·fes·ta·tion
            ˌmanəfəˈstāSHən,-ˌfesˈtāSHən/Submit
            noun
            1.
            an event, action, or object that clearly shows or embodies something

            —————

            Note that expression is about thoughts which are metaphysical and manifestation is about action (motion). Principle 17 states that:
            Every effect has a cause and every cause has an effect… that’s ONLY with regard to MOTION in e/matter. Thoughts, like instructive information or forces are metaphysical and have no motion as their expression IN e/matter until they are manifested within time and space BY e/matter.

          • Steve 04/08/2014, 6:05 pm:

            So would it be correct to say, the expression of universal forces is the configuration and motion of matter, and, the expression of innate forces is coordination of that matter, which is already configured and in motion due to UF?
            If so then, innate intelligence is the cause of innate force as the effect, which leads to innate force being the cause of coordination as the effect, which further leads to coordination causing the effect of life.

  6. Tom 04/03/2014, 1:15 pm:

    Here’s a talk Reggie gave in Spinology on Results. Enjoy.

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m98s0ilmqzv8fwb/4hUsJpTVUg

    • Steve 04/03/2014, 7:07 pm:

      Thanx Tom,
      Results are inductively derived yet we deduce benefit on principle.

      • Joe Strauss 04/05/2014, 12:11 pm:

        Steve, who gets to define ‘TRUE HEALTH ‘inasmuch as the 33 principles do not mention them at all?

        • Don 04/06/2014, 11:31 pm:

          Dr. Strauss,
          I don’t know who defines it.
          I do know Dr. Joe Donofrio explains the term true health in the context of the law of life in his orientation.
          I have seen the video online but don’t have it at the moment.
          Maybe someone could post a link?

          • Claude Lessard 04/07/2014, 11:20 am:

            Don,

            Is true health an effect or a cause?

      • Don 04/07/2014, 9:59 pm:

        Dr. Lessard,
        I won’t mind giving my opinion if true health is a cause or effect however I have to reserve my answer until I have established the definition (or working definition) of the term as it is being used in this thread and on this blog. Looking forward to the discussion! 🙂

  7. Don 04/03/2014, 11:31 pm:

    I can see the confusion here between the use of the term “health” “disease” and “dis-ease”.

    I don’t think we have a consensus on the source of the definition of these terms.
    IOW’s
    If we can agree on a referenced source that has a clear meaning with little to no ambiguity, I’m confident that most of these misunderstandings would be short lived.
    I would post Websters definition but maybe Steve or someone else with the greenbooks on searchable CD could go first?

    Dis-ease = REFERENCE??

    Disease – REFERENCE??

    Health – REFERENCE??

    Thanks.

    • Steve 04/04/2014, 7:41 pm:

      From a quick look at the GB it seems the Palmers always, from beginning to end, used the terms health and disease as general opposites.

      The amount of nerve tension determines health or disease. 1910

      Health is that condition of the body in which all the functions are
      performed in a normal degree. If they are executed in a too great or too little measure, just in that proportion will there be disease. 1910

      Chiropractic embraces the science of life, the knowledge of how
      organisms act in health and disease, also the art of adjusting the
      neuroskeleton. Vol 4

      It points out the conditions upon which both health and
      disease depend. It explains why and how one person becomes affected with disease while his associate or neighbor, apparently living under the same conditions, remains well. Furthermore, it makes plain the reason why one, or more, of the bodily functions are performed in an excessive or in a deficient degree of frequency or intensity, either of which condition is a form of disease. Vol 4

      Philosophy, special or general, is not the foundation upon which I
      built the science of chiropractic. Its science is based on tone. Tone is
      the standard from which we note the variations of structure,
      temperature, tonicity, elasticity, renitency and tension; it is the
      standard of health; any deviation therefrom is disease. Tone is the
      BASIC. PRINCIPLE, the one from which all other principles which
      compose the science, have sprung. Vol 4

      Where is the dam that stands between ultimate health and disease? Those questions The PSC and its graduates answer intelligently. Vol 26

      As you know, the Chiropractic profession has been generally united on the principle, viz., that Innate within is the life within; it is the interference with this Innate between brain and body which causes disease in the body; it is the adjustment of the vertebral subluxation, as the interfering media between brain and body, which permits restoration of Innate IN brain to flow freely, naturally, and normally to and thru the body, which restores ease—health. Vol 26

      CHIROPRACTIC succeeds in getting sick people well because IT
      recognizes constants of law IN living man, corrects interferences of those constants IN living man, and then allows THE LAW itself IN LIVING MAN to re-establish its health constant IN LIVING MAN. Vol 39

      The fundamental and basic PRINCIPLE upon which ALL
      chiropracTIC rises or falls is that there is brain and body through which Innate Intelligence flows a normal, natural quantity if its mental impulse supply from brain to body, to all parts, which, if, as and when it reaches there, will perform a normal, natural health function in all parts. If this normal QUANTITY is reduced, between brain and body, Innate and function, then one only simple dis-ease in function exists at peripheries wherever and whenever that quantity is diminished or reduced do so it cannot fill its quota of production of the intention of Innate above. Vol 39

      • Claude 04/04/2014, 8:29 pm:

        Steve,

        I thought you were asking your question about the connection between DIS-EASE and health from OC perspective? Did I misread you?

        • Steve 04/04/2014, 9:49 pm:

          Sorry Claude,
          Here I was answering Don request for GB references.
          On 03/27/2014, 4:45 pm: I was asking for the OC opinion. After reading Joe’s and your response I assume they are related but not causative. I don’t think you can have health when dis-ease is present. Our present view philosophically however does not connect the two, since we stop at dis-ease..

    • Steve 04/04/2014, 9:26 pm:

      Disease and dis-ease it seems were interchangeably, sometimes in the same paragraph;

      Break the circuit completely and death, or partially by subluxation
      and dis-ease, are the relative products. Vol 3 (1911)

      I should
      say the only possible conditions under which a nerve can be traced are
      conditions of dis-ease,—incoordination,—conditions of abnormality in
      which the nerve is impinged and therefore is not able to transmit its
      normal amount of mental impulses. Vol 6 (1911)

      Following is a list commonly given as communicable diseases
      peculiar to man and according to medical theory communicable
      from man to man. Even among those who accept this theory there
      is quite a difference of opinion as to the dis-eases that should be
      included in this list. Smallpox, chicken-pox, cholera, leprosy,
      dengue, relapsing fever, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, infantile
      paralysis, typhus fever, yellow fever, malaria, syphilis,
      tuberculosis and typhoid fever. Vol 3 (1924)

      With a clear comprehension and a power of
      discrimination between paths of distribution, it will give an
      explanation of any “dis-ease” of these viscera. Instead of “kidney
      diseases” being Chinese puzzles, they exist as so much practical
      knowledge where you know every intricate detail; or as an open book
      when anyone who knows how can study. vol 26

      (f) medicine, in principle and practice, relies on the outside-in,
      below-upward PHYSICAL EXTERNAL cure of dis-ease
      therefore, to be consistent, our theme is:
      (g) any chiropractor who prescribes any form of external
      medical therapy to patients for the purpose of externally
      curing disease, IS practicing medicine. vol 36

  8. Claude Lessard 04/04/2014, 1:39 am:

    Don,

    This has been done on March 14, 2013 at 3:40pm on the glossary. 😉

    • Don 04/04/2014, 8:28 am:

      Dr. Lessard and others 🙂
      I haven’t forgotten about the glossary.
      Two questions and a suggestion.
      1) In your opinion are we are all operating with those same definitions here on this blog?
      2) The definition of health could not be found in the glossary. What would the definition be that we can all agree on and reference if necessary.

      Suggestion:
      How about adding a glossary tab on the website menu bar. That way anyone can quickly access those definitions (challenge them if need be 🙂 and ultimately streamline discussions about these and other commonly misinterpreted terms.

      From the glossary in March:
      7.) Disease and Dis-ease: Disease is a term used by physicians for sickness. To them it is an entity and is worthy of a name, hence diagnosis. Dis-ease is a Chiropractic term meaning not having ease; or lack of ease. It is lack of entity. It is a condition of matter when it does not have the property of ease. Ease is the entity, and dis-ease the lack of it.

  9. Claude Lessard 04/04/2014, 11:36 am:

    Don,

    1) Obviously not.

    2) The purpose of the glossary is to define chiropractic terms. As you pointed out in 7). from the glossary in March… all we could really do is to state within the glossary that: –

    – Health is a medical term. To physicians it is an entity and worthy of a name. Health is NOT a chiropractic term. –

    – This begs the question: –

    – Since chiropractic is about LIFE, what is the definition of LIFE? According to the authority of the 33 principles, the chiropractic meaning of life (existence AND life) is defined as per principles 3,18,19,20,21,22,23 and 27). How would you, Don, articulate the definition of LIFE within the glossary? 😉

    Suggestion: This is up to the administrator of COTB.

    • Claude Lessard 04/04/2014, 11:42 am:

      When I wrote: “This is up to the administrator of COTB”, it was my answer to YOUR suggestion:
      “How about adding a glossary tab on the website menu bar. That way anyone can quickly access those definitions (challenge them if need be 🙂 and ultimately streamline discussions about these and other commonly misinterpreted terms.” I was NOT referring to the articulation of the definition of LIFE within the glossary (even though I consider Joseph to be the “authority” on COTB) 😉

  10. Don 04/04/2014, 10:25 pm:

    Thank you Steve for those references. I find it interesting that disease and dis-ease are used interchangeably in the Green Books and yet here we struggling to comprehend how they divergent these terms really are.

    Dr. Lessard you asked for the definition of life. According to the authority of the 33 principles, the chiropractic meaning of life (existence AND life).

    I don’t think I am qualified to define those terms.

    I could make some suggestions though.
    1) define health (as above) and place it into the glossary.
    2)Define the term Life by explaining “innate life” and also explain “universal life/existence”
    3)Ask all readers to understand that the glossary if a working/living document and is subject to change as new information/understanding develops.

    🙂

    • Joe Strauss 04/05/2014, 12:51 pm:

      Claude and Tom,
      Thanks for holding the “COTB fort” in my absence. ACP-Europe was a great time for myself and others.
      To respond to the question/discussion: I think the OSC definition, as well as the TSC definition were based upon the 33 principles. The only difference is that TSC and BJ added to the 33 or interpreted them differently and in doing that gave us concepts like “health”, “disease”, “wellness” “getting sick people well” and others. OSC (OC,NTOSC, NTOC) took the 33 (originally given to us by BJ) and refined them by removing the “dross” which they had accumulated through DD, BJ, TSC and even medical mixing chiropractic and (hopefully) left us with 99.9% pure chiropractic which was, in our understanding, BJ’s original intention. Some people want to add to the 33 or interpret them differently and call it TSC, HIO, or even KST and base it upon the fact that B.J. said it in a Green Book or elsewhere or it fits with 1 or more of the 33 principles. There are a lot of things that fit with the 33 principles that have nothing to do with chiropractic. Basketball is one of them ( Principle No. 6). Religion is another (Principle No. 1). Spinology is a third (improved performance, which Reggie had the integrity not to call chiropractic. That doesn’t make those things and basketball bad or worthless , just not OSC. This blog is about understanding better the 99.9% pure chiropractic and hopefully refining the .1% a little better if we can.

    • Steve 04/07/2014, 2:52 pm:

      As a non-authority on the GB I can only give my opinion. I think BJ used the term dis-ease as a general statement regarding less than 100%. In his explanation of one cause, one cure, there was only one condition, dis-ease. Coordinated matter working within it’s own limits produced a state of ease, anything less was dis-ease. Dis-ease pertained to any state of dis-coordination, whether symptomatic or not, clinical or sub-clinical, recognized or unknown. It would seem as if the term disease was used as a specific reference to a diagnosable ailment.

  11. Claude Lessard 04/08/2014, 6:47 pm:

    Steve,

    There is no cause and effect between intelligence and force. Both are outside of space and time. There’s no distance involved. Both are metaphysical and both are CAUSE which is manifested as motion BY e/matter, which is the effect. Principle #17 is ONLY with regard to motion BY e/matter.

    • Joe Strauss 04/09/2014, 12:06 pm:

      Claude, are you saying that innate intelligence is not the cause of innate forces?

      • Claude Lessard 04/09/2014, 6:04 pm:

        Joseph,

        What I am saying is that principles #17 is with regard to motion ONLY. It is the METAPHYSICAL that is CAUSE and the physical that is effect. Therefore, metaphysical intelligence AND metaphysical forces are two SEPARATE and DISTINCT metaphysical concepts POINTING to something of the metaphysical… that there is no separation in the metaphysical realm as there is no space and time involved. (We circumvent this “pointing to” by things like: innate intelligence is part of and part from universal intelligence… this is only a concept to help us “see” the “unseen”… it’s NOT reality WHAT it is). In other words, there is no separation between intelligence and it’s function… “BOTH” are the METAPHYSICAL CAUSE resulting in the physical effect of motion BY e/matter (pri14).-

        – That’s WHY the function of innate intelligence is to adapt universal forces AND e/matter (pri23). Have you ever asked the question WHY that is? Metaphysical intelligence and its metaphysical forces are separate and distinct CAUSE resulting in the effect of the configuration (properties) and velocity (action) of the physical electrons, protons and neutrons of e/matter which is MANIFESTED as motion BY e/matter. –

        – That is also the reason WHY the chronology of principle #17 comes in after the introduction of MOTION as manifested instructive information BY e/matter. –

        – Here is an example (not only for DON) 😉 The law of gravity and the function of the law of gravity is what CAUSE e/matter to free fall to earth… obvious is it not? “BOTH” gravity and its function are metaphysical and are CAUSE and the effect is the MOTION of physical e/matter toward earth’s attraction. –

        • Steve 04/09/2014, 9:57 pm:

          So Pri. #17 is a universal law that does not pertain to universal laws. When you say,” there is no separation in the metaphysical realm”, does this mean all metaphysical concepts are one with all other metaphysical concepts? All alike in their metaphysical..ness or metaphysicality?

        • Joe Strauss 04/10/2014, 1:03 am:

          Claude, principle No. 17 does not apply only to motion. If it is a principle (and it is) it applies to everything. Principle No. 1 is a cause and “giving matter all its properties and actions is an effect”. There is a cause of universal intelligence but that is outside the realm of chiropractic philosophy. While intelligence and force may be two separate metaphysical concepts that does not mean that intelligence cannot be the cause of force. A universal force causes destruction to structural matter but when adapted by innate intelligence, it causes coordinated action Principles # 23 & 26.

          • Claude Lessard 04/10/2014, 12:48 pm:

            Joseph,

            1) – Is there any substance BETWEEN metaphysical intelligence and metaphysical force? –

            2) – Is there any substance BETWEEN metaphysical universal intelligence and metaphysical innate intelligence? –

            3)- Is there any gap (space and time) BETWEEN the LAW (of organization and/or active organization) and its action? –

            4) – Doesn’t the law ONLY acts perfectly within e/matter according to the limitations of e/matter and time?

            The answer to these questions are found in the Blue Book titled “Chiropractic Philosophy”, 3rd edition 1994 on page 212: –

            – Principle 17-

            – “Combining two previous principles, we know that all matter has motion due to the application of force by intelligence. Living and non-living matter on the atomic level demonstrate motion. Remember this is a result of universal intelligence even in living matter. Motion is an effect that always occurs. The introduction of force by intelligence creates motion. Intelligence is always the cause of this application of force. We would be hard pressed to find anything that demonstrated motion without the introduction of force and intelligent activity behind it. This is a law of physics. Our principle therefore: WITH REGARD TO MOTION IN MATTER EVERY EFFECT HAS A CAUSE AND EVERY CAUSE HAS AN EFFECT.” –

            – Together, without condemnation, let us inquire further into principle 17… and see where it leads us. Shall we?

          • Joe Strauss 04/10/2014, 3:02 pm:

            Claude, principle #17 (cause and effect) applies to motion in matter but not ONLY the application of universal forces on the atomic level. Cause and effect has many other applications as well, both in an outside chiropractic. I guess it is with the word “ONLY” that I have a problem. “Every effect has a cause…” means more than just the effect of causing motion in matter in my understanding of the 33 principles. Could you be reading more into the explanation of Principle #17 on page 212 than the writer intended?

    • Steve 04/09/2014, 4:48 pm:

      So when Palmer said “Every effect has a cause and every cause has effects”, he was not including universal intelligence, universal force, innate intelligence or innate force. He was only discussing the rule for matter? Then by your interpretation there is little, or no significant, difference between intelligence and force.

      • Claude Lessard 04/09/2014, 6:13 pm:

        Steve,

        The concepts of universal intelligence, universal forces, innate intelligence, innate force are POINTERS to the truth… they are NOT the truth. Remember what I posted, in previous posts: that the car that you use to travel from you house to your office is ONLY getting you to your office NOT inside you office. You have to get out of your car in order to enter your office. 🙂

  12. Claude Lessard 04/10/2014, 7:42 pm:

    Joseph,

    You are asking me if I “Could you be reading more into the explanation of Principle #17 on page 212 than the writer intended?” What I am reading is that the author said: WITH REGARD TO MOTION IN MATTER EVERY EFFECT HAS A CAUSE AND EVERY CAUSE HAS AN EFFECT.” I just so happened to agree with the author, WHO by the way, brilliantly wrote that over 20 years ago! –

    – Since this blog is about chiropractic, together without condemnation, let’s start the major premise. The law of organization always causes the properties (configuration of electrons, protons and neutrons) and action (velocity of electrons, protons and neutrons) of e/matter which is manifested by motion of e/matter which is the effect that maintains e/matter in existence. It’s an absolute! –

    WHAT other effect is there besides motion of e/matter caused by the law of organization from the chiropractic view point? In other words, WHAT other cause is there besides the law of organization that has for effect the motion of e/matter from the chiropractic view point?

    • Don 04/11/2014, 10:00 am:

      Dr. Lessard,
      I can see your point from the chiropractic viewpoint. In my opinion, Dr. Strauss is of the opinion that the principle is applicable across all examples and everywhere whereas you are defining “all examples and everywhere” in a single term, that term being ‘motion’.

      To your point, could we say that ALL motion is caused by the law of organization/ii?
      Reason being that as I sit here I am hearing my wall clock tic and see it move repeatedly and it makes me wonder if it would be an example. 😉

      Lastly, when I had some difficulty understanding how innate intelligence was apart of and apart from universal intelligence, it helped me immensely when I recognized (with the help of several colleagues here) the two terms universal life and innate life.
      Universal life being the motion present at the atomic level and distinctly different than today’s common English language understanding of life. For example, by this chiropractic viewpoint and definition, a petrous rock would have universal life. It would be absent of innate life. Yet, by the defi option of the Webster’s dictionary, it would be lifeless, not have life.

      With that said, I’ll be bold and make two proposals to help clarify things for myself.
      First, the term motion should be reworked into two terms for clarity of communication.
      Second, eventhough the two terms may be one in the same, I suggest these two terms be: universal motion and innate motion.

      In this way, universal motion has a cause. It is universal intelligence.
      Innate motion has a cause. It is innate forces of ii.
      Intelligence causes all motion. Not always innate forces of innate intelligence.

      As always, thanks for reading and I look forward to the discussion.

      • Claude 04/11/2014, 10:36 pm:

        Don,

        Of course the principle of cause and effect applies everywhere WITHIN the PHYSICAL universe. The point is that when we deal with the triune of life, there are 2 metaphysical components and one physical component. In this context, the cause is the metaphysical law of organization which is instructing e/matter by configuring its electrons, neutrons and neutron (properties) with their velocity (action). Therefore it’s the metaphysical that is CAUSE and the physical that is the EFFECT. Therefore, as you posted above: “All motion is caused by the law iof organization which is HOW universal intelligence is maintaining e/matter in existence. Your example shows universal intelligence is maintaining you and the clock in existence continuously configuring e/matter.

        • Claude 04/11/2014, 10:53 pm:

          … Regarding your suggestion about motion, I will address it tonight with my computer and not my iPhone.

      • Claude Lessard 04/12/2014, 11:59 am:

        Don,

        Of course the principle of cause and effect is applicable across all examples and everywhere WITHIN THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE. Please remember that the triune of life is comprised of two metaphysical components and one physical component. In this context, the cause is the metaphysical law of organization which is instructing e/matter by configuring its electrons, protons and neutrons (properties) and their velocity (action). Therefore, it is the metaphysical that is CAUSE and the physical that is the effect. Intelligence is the MOVER and e/matter the MOVED. That is HOW the law of organization is continually maintaining e/matter in existence… by causing MOTION in e/matter. In other words, universal intelligence IS the CAUSE in continually maintaining you AND the ticking of the clock… AND the WHOLE e/matter of the universe in existence, which you, the ticking of the clock AND the WHOLE physical universe are the effect. This effect is due the constant continuation of universal intelligence BEING the CAUSE of the configuration and the velocity of the electrons, protons and neutrons of e/matter, which is the effect. That is HOW the law of organization is continually maintaining the whole e/matter of the whole universe in existence. –

        – Before we inquire, together without condemnation, about the nature of MOTION in chiropractic, do you think that WHEN a noun is used alone, that its meaning, without a descriptor adjective, should be used in the broadest sense possible? For example 😉 When we use the noun life, its meaning should be understood as ALL of life in it broadest sense? Would it be appropriate to say that only when we use adjectives like animate, inanimate, organic, inorganic, living, non-living, innate, universal, and other specific descriptors, that we clarify exactly what kind of life we are referring to?

        • Don 04/12/2014, 11:27 pm:

          Dr. Lessard,
          I would agree to the use of a noun in the broadest sense of the word so long as I, in the conversation, understand that it will be used I. That fashion.
          I believe if that is how a noun will be used it is completely acceptable. My only caution would be to make certain to clarify the terms first before entering the discussion or better yet have a glossary of terms that anyone can reference at any pointin time. This will should ensure clarity communication and IMO limit any misunderstanding.

          • Claude Lessard 04/13/2014, 11:16 am:

            Don and everyone else reading this post,

            If ALL of us, together without condemnation, were to agree to use nouns in the way mentioned above with their appropriate clarifications and make them part of our glossary, would that be an asset to communicating information and sharing opinions on COTB?

  13. Don 04/13/2014, 3:09 pm:

    Dr. Lessard,
    IMO, it would help me if I knew which nouns we are speaking of and what clarifications are being considered. In this way, I can speak to your addition to the glossary the best way possible.

    At this point, I think the needs of those communicating opinions are best served by discussing each newly added term on a case by case basis. I know you are speaking specifically about the terms “life” and “motion” here.

    Just another thought…For all the other “nouns”, I believe in addition to an agreement without condemnation (which I think is excellent btw 🙂 ) we may want to have specific language in place so that the result is that it is interpreted in the broadest sense of the word. In this way, anyone who is new to the COTB or anyone who may not understand what it means to agree without condemnation to use the broadest sense of terms can be brought up to speed on the language used here quickly and efficiently.

    • Claude Lessard 04/14/2014, 10:24 am:

      Don,

      Regarding motion, principle #14 states that ALL e/matter has motion. Therefore it is universal intelligence that is causing e/matter to manifest force as motion. It is clear that motion is an effect caused by universal intelligence, which is HOW the law of organization maintains e/matter in existence, whether it is non-living e/matter or living e/matter. When innate intelligence, ADAPTS universal forces and e/matter in “living things” already in motion, innate intelligence is configuring the electrons, protons and neutrons and their velocity for use in the body causing all parts of the body to have coordinated action for mutual benefit (pri23). The law of ACTIVE organization does NOT add motion to e/matter that has universal life which is already manifesting motion. In other words, the law of ACTIVE organization configures (adapts) the already moving electrons, protons and neutrons of e/matter and their velocity, so that all parts of the “living thing” will have coordinated action for mutual benefit (pri23). –

      – It is rather clear, that according to the authority of the 33 principles, that ALL matter has motion and that is HOW there is universal life (existence) in ALL matter caused by the law of organization (pri14 & pri1) In “living things”, it is ALL parts of the body that has coordinated action and that is HOW there is ACTIVE organization in living e/matter that already has motion, so that coordination of action of all the parts, already in motion, of the body for mutual benefit, without breaking a universal law, is caused by the law of ACTIVE organization. (pri.1,14,20,21,23 & 24). –

      – It is the metaphysical law of organization creating instructive information uniting physical e/matter with metaphysical intelligence that is CAUSE of e/matter to have motion thereby maintaining it in existence AND it is the metaphysical law of ACTIVE organization adapting instructive information for use in the, already “in motion”, physical living e/matter, that is CAUSE of living e/matter, already in motion, to have coordination of action of all the parts of the body for mutual benefit. Once again, the metaphysical is CAUSE and the physical is effect with regards to the triune of life. And of course, principle #17 will apply everywhere else within the physical universe as we already have discussed before.

      • Don 04/14/2014, 10:50 am:

        Dr. Lessard,
        Wonderful explanation!
        I can see how motion is the substrate to the manifestation of the law of active organization. I can also see how nothing is added and only organized for mutual benefit. As an aside, couldn’t one argue that a “layer” of organization was added? (My apologies, “layer” was used for lack of a better term)

        Now, assuming who will be the one to distill that paragraphs into a concise definition for each of the following terms? 🙂
        Active organization
        Motion
        Life
        Cause
        Effect

  14. Don 04/14/2014, 10:52 am:

    Now, assuming it hasn’t been done yet, who will be the one to distill that paragraphs into a concise definition for each of the following terms?
    Active organization
    Motion
    Life
    Cause
    Effect

    • Claude Lessard 04/14/2014, 11:06 am:

      Don,

      I think that you certainly would be the choice to take on that task as you now can “see” those terms within their proper context. 😉

      • Claude Lessard 04/14/2014, 6:48 pm:

        Don,

        I shouldn’t have been to quick to ask you to take on the task of distilling my paragraph into a concise definition for the terms you mentioned. 🙂
        I am working on it and I take full responsibility for it as well. Of course, I will welcome anyone’s input as we move along. Thanks. 😉

        • Claude Lessard 04/15/2014, 4:01 am:

          Don,

          Regarding your “layer” of organization, without condemnation, you are observing that organization is within ALL e/matter (non-living and living) and that ACTIVE organization is ONLY within living e/matter. ACTIVE organization not a “layer” that is added. ACTIVE organization is intrinsic and specific ONLY to living e/matter for coordination of action… in the same way that organization is intrinsic and specific to all e/matter (non-living and living) for existence. –

          – Look at it as the organized e/matter of a “living thing” is having been imputed with a specific “format” intrinsic within its genetic make up so that it can it be ACTIVELY organized by innate intelligence for coordination of action. It is the “format” of living e/matter that can receive and process the specific CODES of innate forces for coordination of action as well as universal forces for existence. What happens when the CODE of an innate force with intelligent direction, which is constructive toward structural e/matter is interfered by VS? What happens to the CODE is that it is reverting back to the CODE of a universal force without intelligent direction, which is deconstructive toward structural e/matter. Living and non-living e/matter on the atomic level manifest motion (pri14). Remember that it is the metaphysical law of organization that is the CAUSE of motion being manifested BY living and non-living e/matter. –

          – For example: 😉 –

          – On April 8, 2014, it is the CEO of Microsoft WHO chose to stop supporting it’s XP operating system that was launched 10 years ago with astonishing success. This means that the future instructive information contained in the NEW software will need either Windows 7 or Windows 8 operating systems which are NEW formatted computer upgrades. The XP computers are not formatted to receive and process the NEW code instructive information to operate the NEW software. Dell is literally selling millions of new formatted upgrades for computers to receive and process the NEW software’s instructive information. The e/matter of the hardware is basically the same. It just has to be formatted with an upgrade to remain an ACTIVE operating system that can process the NEW instructive information of the NEW software. You can see, that the NEW coded instructive information needs a NEW formatted operating system in order to be processed. Then and ONLY then will you have a computer that will be “data processing” the instructive information of the NEW software. Just a few hours ago, Microsoft announced that it will drop it “security patch” for Windows 8.1… which means that the consumers will have to buy the whole enchilada of Windows 8.1 in order to have a secured computer. Talk about mega $$$$$! –

          – Within your body, it is your specific DNA that is your operating system… specifically formatted by innate intelligence to process its instructive information for coordination of action of all the parts of your body for mutual benefit (pri.23). It is not a “layer” of organization, as you posted previously, that innate intelligence CAUSES. Innate intelligence CAUSES the configuring electrons, protons and neutrons of e/matter (already in motion) and their velocity, which specifically formats living e/matter to receive and process the CODE for the instructive information of the law of ACTIVE organization (pri.23) without breaking a universal law (pri.24). –

          – In other words, non-living e/matter is formatted for receiving and processing instructive information from the law of organization in order to exist. Living e/matter is formatted for receiving and processing instructive information from the law of organization in order to exist (pri.1) and for also receiving and processing instructive information from the law of ACTIVE organization in order to have coordination of action (pri.23) without breaking a universal law (pri.24). Does that make sense?

          • Don 04/15/2014, 11:18 am:

            Dr. Lessard,
            Thank you for the example. I can see how a layer and imputed specific formatted code as in the genetic makeup of a living thing are not the same.
            I suppose my misconception came from the instance where life is lost in a living thing. My understanding was that once life was lost the living matter no longer exhibited the active organization prevalent in the living material. It reverts to exhibiting universal life which is the organization at the molecular and atomic level only. I interpreted this to mean that there was a loss of active organization or IOWs a loss of a layer or organization that was previously there and now this “base layer” of life (universal life) is all that remains.
            Two questions I will have to give some thought to and I wouldn’t mind your thoughts (bear with me, this is my thinking out loud):
            1. If the loss of active organisation happens and that is synonymous with a loss of life, doesn’t all matter revert to its universal life (atomic/molecular) form when not being organized actively by ii?
            2. Only answer this if it can be answered within the chiropractic perspective….from a chiropractic viewpoint, what happens to the genetic coded information when shift happens from living to no living? How about non-living to living?
            Thank you.

  15. Claude Lessard 04/15/2014, 1:11 pm:

    Don,

    1- ACTIVE organization is ONLY for the e/matter of “living things” that is formatted to receive and process the adapted forces of innate intelligence within the limitations of e/matter and time. Software instructive information is ONLY for the “formatted operating system” to receive and process specifically coded data. If your computer crashes, what really happened? It has reached is ultimate limitation (whether due to an invasive force or a break down within its operating system) has it not? The software is still present, yet you cannot communicate with me any longer to provide me information since they are no longer processed by the operating system of you computer. You are still present, the software is present, even the hardware is still present and perhaps can be used as spare parts. It’s the operating system that has reached its limits of operations. –

    – You state that: “My understanding was that once life was lost the living matter no longer exhibited the active organization prevalent in the living material.” That is not true. It is COORDINATION OF ACTION of all the parts of of the body for mutual benefit that are no longer exhibited. Innate intelligence and its instructive information is still the CAUSE of ACTIVE organization at the cellular level until the cell reaches its limits of operations… then and ONLY then will living e/matter eventually reverts back to non-living e/matter. Once a level of living e/matter has reached its complete limitations, it is no longer formatted to receive and process instructive information of the innate intelligence at that specific level for coordination of action. For example: 😉 The body of a road kill exist. Innate intelligence is present at the cellular level as the body of the road kill which is in a state of decomposition and produces biological by-products giving rise to rigor mortis, bacterial activities and fluid exchanges. What is no longer present is the normal expression of the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the LIVING body. There is NO (0%) coordination of action of parts of the body for use in the body. Its the ultimate interference with transmission of innate forces (pri29).

    2- Since coded information are metaphysical forces expressed by e/matter (prI.13) WHAT happens to the genetic coded metaphysical forces, is that they are no longer manifested by e/matter for coordination of action of all the parts of the body. Beyond that would require to step outside of chiropractic. Let’s just say that within the physical universe, the law of conservation of energy/matter states that: “NOTHING is ever loss and NOTHING is ever created”. This is due to the major premise that states : A universal intelligence is in ALL and CONTINUALLY gives to it ALL its properties and actions, thus MAINTAINING it in EXISTENCE. From the point of view of intelligence, there is constantly, continuously, incessantly, non-stop, ALWAYS 100% intelligence, 100% forces and 100% e/matter WITHIN the universe. NOTHING is ever loss and NOTHING is ever created. In other words, the law of organization is PERFECT which is the start point of chiropractic. Not too shabby is it not? 🙂

    • Don 04/16/2014, 12:24 am:

      Dr. Lessard,
      Not to shabby indeed! Especially the way nothing is ever lost or gained and always perfect part.

      Maybe I need another example or another day to process this last post. I’ll let you decide. I will say that after re-reading, I have to admit that I’m getting lost between these terms

      1. Coordination of Action
      2. Active organization
      3. formatted

      I assume these are all used interchangeably without any significant difference?? 🙁

      I’m much clearer in that I can now see that ii is also recognizable at the cellular level in even what seems to be “dead” or “living” tissue that looks to be non-living.

      I’m confused by the statement “There is NO (0%) coordination of action of parts of the body for use in the body.” and “the ultimate interference with transmission of innate forces (pri29).”
      These concepts are intruiging, When you get a chance could you elaborate on these for me?
      Thanks.

      • Claude Lessard 04/16/2014, 11:31 am:

        Don,

        1. Coordination of action OF ALL THE PARTS OF THE LIVING BODY is the mission of innate intelligence, which means, that… as long as the BODY is living, innate intelligence will adapt universal force and e/matter for use in that body so that all parts of the body will have coordinated action for mutual benefit (pri23) without breaking a universal law (pri24) –

        – 2. Active organization means that as long as there is at least one cell that has not yet reached its final limitation in the body, the material of that cell will be maintained in active organization. The body of the living thing may be dead and if only one cell of that dead body has not yet reach its absolute limitation, the innate intelligence of that living cell will adapt universal forces to continue to have that cell exhibit one or more signs of life (pri18) without breaking a universal law (pri24). I hope you can see that coordination of action is NOT the same as active organization. Active organization allows e/matter to exhibit at least one sign of life. Coordination of action is when all of the activities of all the parts of the active organized body are coordinated for mutual benefit. –

        – Formatted refers to a specific configuration of electrons, protons, neutrons and their velocity of a specific level of living E/MATTER that allows for reception of innate forces including the processing of specific and precise instructive information by that living matter. If living e/matter is not formatted (adapted) by innate intelligence to process data, then coordinated action of all the parts cannot take place. Principle 23 states that the FUNCTION of innate intelligence is to adapt universal forces and E/MATTER for use in the body, so that all the parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit. That is HOW innate intelligence adapts e/matter. Innate intelligence configures the electrons, protons and neutrons of e/matter into a FORMAT that allows e/matter to receive and process the data of instructive information of innate intelligence. BOTH universal forces and e/matter are adapted by innate intelligence. The “formatting” of e/matter by innate intelligence is really the adapting of e/matter (into a format for data processing) by innate intelligence. –

        – When I posted: “There is NO (0%) coordination of action of parts of the body for use in the body.” The fact is that the road kill is dead!!! All systems are shut down. There is 0% coordination of action of the parts of the dead body of the animal. It is the innate forces of the innate intelligence of the living body that is the CAUSE of coordination of all its parts. When all systems are shut down and the body is without coordination of action of any of its parts, since it is dead, there is a complete severance (0%) of transmission of innate forces through or over the nerve system in the animal (pri28). That’s what I call “the ultimate interference with transmission of innate forces (pri29) since there is NO transmission at all, there is a complete cessation of transmission of innate forces for coordination of action of all the parts of the body. –

        – Think about it… innate forces are a message made of instructive information which is perfect for living e/matter or it is no message at all. ALL or NOTHING.

        • Don 04/16/2014, 11:51 pm:

          Dr. Lessard,
          Thank you for elaborating.
          I now can appreciate the difference.
          To illustrate, in your road kill example when there is no coordination of action of parts of the body for use in the body and road kill is dead, it has reached the ultimate interference of transmission of innate forces of ii of the body. The road kill is dead.
          The road kill does not have coordinated action. The road kill MAY have one cell that continues to exhibit at lésât one sign of Life. The road kill will have no coordination of action but will have active organization.
          Let me know if there is anything to correct here.
          Thank you again.

          • Claude Lessard 04/17/2014, 11:48 am:

            Don,

            You got it. Good job! 😉

          • Claude Lessard 04/17/2014, 11:53 am:

            Don,

            If you know that the “one cell” that exhibits at least one sign of life was once part of a road kill… 😉

  16. Claude Lessard 04/16/2014, 11:41 am:

    … as we move along within our inquiry, together without condemnation and if it our thinking is rational logic deducted from the authority of the 33 principles, it will get clarified even further. Remember that confusion is what BJ allures to when he said that: “Conflicts clarify”. First is the observation of the principle, then the application of the principle to the new information, then the confusion, then (perhaps) the clarification. 😉

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