A Reader’s Question

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A Reader asks: Is the ADIO concept uniquely chiropractic?
No, not in my opinion. While the idea of chiropractic as ADIO was first given to us by BJ, chiropractic can be practiced from an ADIO viewpoint ( NTOSC) or from an outside-in perspective (therapeutic). Many other things beside chiropractic can be seen from an ADIO or from an OI viewpoint, like nutrition, exercise and other health issue. Generally, eating for health is ADIO, eating to treat, cure, prevent disease is outside-in. But nutrition, no matter how its practiced (ADIO or OI) is not part of the objective or practice of OSC, which is confined to the LACVS. This whole discussion is part of my latest Blue Book Conflict of Philosophies. In this book I cover issues that have both an ADIO viewpoint and an outside-in one, some which have nothing to do with health or chiropractic.

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  1. Steve 08/20/2014, 4:27 pm:

    ADIO made sense when the innate brain was in the head, how does someone, who thinks the IB is everywhere II is, justify this view?

    • Joe Strauss 08/21/2014, 12:42 am:

      Steve, I’ve always felt that the Above in ADIO had more to do with being above our educated matter than it did an anatomical location. However, inasmuch as the physical brain as a tool of the ii of the body being located in the skull, the “above” anatomically is still apropos.

      • David Suskin 08/21/2014, 1:18 am:

        Chiropractic means by hand only
        I’ve used an Activator for 34 years, as a tool to Adjust PM’s.
        I AM a CHIROPRACTOR. I LACVS
        Words stay the same, meanings change.
        Dig it? Cool? Bad? Roger?

        • Joe Strauss 08/21/2014, 10:30 am:

          Dave, the issue of “by hand only” was settled in August 1973, 7 years before you began using an Activator, at the formation of the FSCO (now IFCO) when it was decided we would define chiropractic by its objective, a reformation of the chiropractic definition, in order to get it back to the original intent of the Palmer’s, to “LACVS to enable the forces of the ii of the body to be more fully expressed”. It was a pretty heated discussion as I recall which caused some traditional straight chiropractors to refuse to join the FSCO and instead remain in the ICA (the only thing that kept (and still keeps) the ICA from folding up, IMO.

          • David Suskin 08/21/2014, 11:17 am:

            Joe,
            Interesting. 73? Wow. Sounds like it was the major issue, and I can see it. Actually at heart, it’s still an undercurrent with Chiros, like so many things in this profession are. I honestly have had my issue with others when I’ve asked them, What technique ya use, and they proudly say, Diversified! Which in my book means in code, non-specificity and goin for the pops and cracks. Uh! Makes my skin crawl.
            Probably goin to offend some out there.
            Actually I was taught diversified at NYCC. It was taught as a highly specific adjusting technique, by intent, basically a spinous contact, toggle recoil in many cases. It is, from what I know an adjusting technique, not so much an analysis, but for what I’ve seen, and heard, most Chiros say it to mean pop n pray and 2 million dollar rolls. I digress. For a change. And as usual I’ve probably spent to much time on this reply. But there is something on COTB for everyone. I try.
            I believe my topic suggest not the controversy of ‘by hand only’ but
            Manipulation vs Adjustment, fixation vs subluxation.
            Perhaps having a ‘where, when and when not’, reflects a LACVS concussion of force intent more than any thing else.

      • Steve 08/22/2014, 1:36 pm:

        You know, I don’t recall that idea mentioned in any of your writings, did I miss something? Could you, would you, expand on this line of reasoning? Above our educated matter, does that mean above our and apart from, our physical matter?
        I remember as a child hearing some say “above down, above down, inside out. They were, it was explained, referring to “from god to man(innate), innate to CNS, CNS to periphery.

        • Joe Strauss 08/22/2014, 3:13 pm:

          Steve, if you just type ADIO into the “search posts” space you should see 128 posts in which ADIO was mentioned, Some of them should be of help. If you cannot find what you are looking for, let me know.

          • Steve 08/22/2014, 10:26 pm:

            OK Joe, I thought it was a bit of a snipe hunt but went through them anyway. None speak to this “above the physical” aspect. I have read all but your newest book and have read your e-book(19 chapters), none discuss this aspect of ADIO, please elucidate.

          • Joe Strauss 08/22/2014, 11:01 pm:

            Steve, I guess I was implying that the metaphysical (innate intelligence, innate brain) was above as in “greater than”, the physical (educated brain, gray matter), not necessarily geographically I also thought that was rather obvious from what I have written over the years. I apparently am not the communicator I thought I was.

        • Claude Lessard 08/23/2014, 11:22 am:

          Steve,

          You posted: “above down, above down, inside out” when YOU 🙂 were a child? Wasn’t that before the 70s… when anthropomorphism was ruling? You know what I mean don’t you? Above from Father God, down to “Innate” (divinity in man) WHO was living upstairs somewhere within the physical brain, sending energy down through nerves ,down to the organs… monitored by the “Wife” WHO was the nine primary functions.

          – Anthropomorphism was necessary, when you were a child, for you to understand chiropractic. Now, WE are not children any longer and according to our PRESENT understanding, we are called to let go of anthropomorphism. It was the living undertanding of our dead ancestors. Not letting go of anthropomorphosim, is using a dead belief of the livings.

          • David Suskin 08/23/2014, 12:46 pm:

            Claude,
            To clarify, you have stated previously:
            ‘The definition of ADIO as far as I understand is: –
            – ADIO: ADIO is a positioning world view, looking at WHAT is going on from ABOVE (intelligence) — DOWN (forces) — INSIDE (matter) — OUT (motion). ADIO is an understanding of life based upon a continuum FLOW of information from intelligence which is manifested by motion in matter forming the law of active organization.’ And in intelligence I presume you are referring to Universal-Innate (Not Educated)

            To carry on with PRESENT understanding, I interpret AD – INSIDE-OUT, matter-motion to fulfill or manifest p14,15, particularly 15
            14. Universal Life – Force is manifested by motion in matter; all matter has motion, therefore there is universal life in all matter.
            15. No Motion without the Effort of Force – Matter can have no motion without the application of force by intelligence.

            What is your PRESENT corollary – OIBU definition, with explanation
            Graciously,
            Dave 😉

          • Steve 08/25/2014, 5:13 pm:

            I think it had more to do with the times, less with my level of understanding. I teach children now with the analogy of the circuit breakers, that chiropractic adjustments are about communication, they seem to get it. Waite, when I was a child all the houses had fuse boxes not breakers. Egads, how old am I?
            As most things I guess, there is a literal and figurative explanation.
            ADIO
            From Joe Above – Down into his computer – Inside the internet – Out through my pc.
            Would it be disrespectful to, from now on, address him as ADIO Joe, until then….. adios

  2. David Suskin 08/20/2014, 5:56 pm:

    1st you deduce that educated intelligence is never perfect, never complete. Educated means induction, learned. Then you have to deduce that innate intelligence as found in a cell (IB), or a tree (IB) , or any life (IB) , is always perfect and we call that Normal (p27) .
    Once you decide that ADIO is living a NORMAL life 1st and an AVERAGE life (OI) 2nd, that handles IB, innateCell, innateTree, innateAnything.
    LIFE 1st, Man 2nd

    But Maybe it’s really IO vs OI? Drop the AD as long as we’re not referencing BEFORE the Major Premise.

  3. Claude Lessard 08/23/2014, 3:12 pm:

    Dave,

    It is a very good question. Before I answer it, how about asking what you and others think what the PRESENT corollary is… with explanation. 😉

    • David Suskin 08/23/2014, 3:56 pm:

      Claude,
      O motion (outer activity/influence) – Educated source
      I universal matter or tinged innate matter(bacteria, vaccines,etc) – drugs, outside control, biologics, therapy
      B universal force
      U educated intelligence, physical, outside authority, outside control

      OY you’re turn Claude (I’m sure you have it down) mine needs revision but I wanted to comply to your OI control of my responding which is typical of WHO I choose to BE
      OY 😉

  4. David Suskin 08/23/2014, 4:59 pm:

    Another stab is
    Something that’s not a deductive process Adio but an
    INDUCTIVE process – It’s called THERAPY

    See what’s moving O – take averages of how much is moving and look to control
    Take hold of what’s moving I – matter
    Determine what is required to control what’s moving – D – force
    Monitor the average and Control what’s moving to that average level – U – society knows more than the individual

    Adio carried on 🙂

    • Claude Lessard 08/24/2014, 12:09 pm:

      David,

      Your question is such an important one, that it is me WHO chooses to wait for others to participate in this one. It may add a “crack” in everything else and allow the light to illuminate our understanding, together without condemnation, of course. Just wanted you to know that there is a reason for my choosing not post my response yet. 😉

      – Carry on. ADIO.

      • Joe Strauss 08/24/2014, 1:17 pm:

        Claude, Dave, how can any of us “others.. participate” when I for one haven’t the slightest idea what the two of you are talking about??????????????

        • Tom 08/24/2014, 10:33 pm:

          Thanks Joe. I thought my computer had been become possessed! 😉

          • Tom 08/24/2014, 10:34 pm:

            had become, no “been”

  5. David Suskin 08/24/2014, 1:44 pm:

    Joe,
    I was referencing Claude’s definition of ADIO.
    After I had something to say about it, I then posed the question
    What is your definition of OIBU, with explanation (in the same syntax that he presented(perhaps). Claude basically said what do you the think? I remarked. (See above). My remarks and the conversation is slightly blog-scattered.
    So that’s it. As has bee said before
    Carry on ADIO

    • Claude Lessard 08/25/2014, 4:14 am:

      ADIO: ADIO is a positioning world view of looking at the FLOW of LIFE which comes from ABOVE (innate intelligence) — DOWN (innate forces) — INSIDE (e/matter) — OUT (motion of e/matter). ADIO is an understanding of the ENTITY of life based upon a FLOW of information continuously coming from universal intelligence and adapted by innate intelligence which is manifested by motion in living e/matter forming the law of active organization. Above really means above e/matter. –

      -OIBU: OIBU is a LACK of ADIO. OIBU is a non-entity. In other words OIBU comes from the educated brain’s capability (educated intelligence) to interfere with the the FLOW of ADIO. There is no corollary backward of ADIO. Principles are positive moving forward and cannot be flowing both ways. Principles can only lose their integrity by being violated by an act of educated intelligence. Innate intelligence will NOT violate a universal law (pri.24). It is when educated intelligence is usurping the authority of the law of active organization which runs ALL the functions of the “living thing” that ADIO is violated. It is this violation of ADIO, which is an interruption of the normal FLOW of life (pri.27) that we call OIBU.

  6. David Suskin 08/25/2014, 11:15 am:

    Claude,
    1st of all, thanx for not letting my question ‘in context of your Adio definition per its syntax, how do you define OIBU?’ Hang out to dry to long. As I think it would have vanished into the archives, without other contributions. AND You stated that there was a REASON for you not posting your reply. What was your reason? As to your reply.
    I concur in your logic, etc. I do believe I hit upon some of your points which is good, at least for myself. However your way of encapsulating concepts is splendid so it’s a good reference to learn from.
    When you say:
    “It is when educated intelligence is usurping the authority of the law of active organization which runs ALL the functions of the “living thing” that ADIO is violated.”, THAT can be a tough tough call in the face of LOM, and the experiences of life that create suffering. Your definition is spot on, it’s application, well, that is a different story for the Free Willed organism called Man.
    Thus slipping and checking and the twists and turns that comes of it, would seem to be unknown.
    Again, thank you for answering the question but again, why the delay?
    Carry on ADIO 😉

    • Claude Lessard 08/25/2014, 2:26 pm:

      Dave,

      Obviously, the delay revealed that Joseph had no clues as to the meaning of what was being posted. This was also confirmed by Tom’s dismay that his computer was basically hacked by brainless avatars. 😉

      • David Suskin 08/25/2014, 2:56 pm:

        Funny Man 😉
        Claude,
        Let me rephrase? You said:there is a reason for my choosing not post my response yet.
        What was that reason? Waiting for the brainless avatar OI replies?

        • Claude Lessard 08/25/2014, 4:49 pm:

          Dave,

          I really wanted others to participate in the thread. Yet, how can others participate when I can’t be understood by OCs of the stature of Joe Strauss and Tom Gregory, due to my lack of communication skills? My educated brain’s LOM is evidenced by that fact indeed.

          • David Suskin 08/25/2014, 6:05 pm:

            Claude,
            Lack of communication skills? I must be a slug. How modest. No Claude. It’s not LOM, it’s LOAOB (limitation of architecture of blog). But that’s OK, we get the job done anyway. Joe did have a post (Outside-In Thinking Sept 19, 2012) that expressed not so much a definition, but a view point.
            I’ve been thinking about this. ADIO, OIBU. You’ve defined them quite well within the context of Chiropractic, but being that it has been suggested that they are viewpoints, worldviews, that incorporate let’s say, broader definitions. Hard to say.
            I think I was most definitely looking for Your Chiropractic template, and you covered them quite well.
            Seeing that ADIO would appear to be such a (forgive the word), Natural process, it’s quite alarming how it’s prevalence within lifestyle is so minute and so challenging. Yes, I understand that we take the light for granted and focus on darkness (non-entity), so the same with ADIO. We take it, LIFE, for granted and focus on the disease, etc. on the without, on the empty. Look at the Robin Williams story, not an uncommon one. RIP. The human condition, and I’ll say it again, probably without any attention to it (that’s what’s happened in the past when I’ve mentioned it), that being THE SUBCONSCIOUS. How it RULES Educated, and as we know, if it’s not Innate, It’s Educated. Emotions, Thoughts, Relationships, Religious and Political views, Social Norms, Self Esteem, on and on. Educated serves ADIO well in it’s Adaptive measures to environmental challenges. And it continues and maintains structure and organization in human behavior. But Educated is a tool for CONTROL (OIBU), and when that control is subconscious, which MOST of it is, Human Beings are really left at it’s mercy.
            That’s why perhaps BJ wanted the Innate Thot to be True. So he could step outside of the subconscious through a chiropractic measure. (I’m speculating). but alas, It does not work that way. Maybe it’s as you have said. Tell the story over and over and over. Whether it’s to PM’s, ‘On The Couch’, to a friend, partner or loved one. That’s how you figure it out, carve a path, attain personal growth and freedom. Thanx for being available.
            Dave 😉

  7. Claude Lessard 08/27/2014, 11:33 am:

    David,

    You posted: “The human condition, and I’ll say it again, probably without any attention to it (that’s what’s happened in the past when I’ve mentioned it), that being THE SUBCONSCIOUS.” –

    – It’s not that we are not paying attention to it. It’s outside the realm of chiropractic philosophy. It’s is the realm of psychology. It’s not good or bad or irrelevant. A tree, a frog, a worm, an amoeba, are all informed by the law of ACTIVE organization and manifest motion within their body as “living things” (pri.20,21,22,23) are the not? –

    – Let us carry on and proceed from the AUTHORITY of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s Basic science… shall we? 😉

  8. David Suskin 08/27/2014, 2:19 pm:

    Claude,
    Sure Man,
    I’d assume the FULL realm of ADIO is also outside of the AUTHORITY of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s Basic science.
    OK, OK, I’ll not run my Network (movie), tirade! (I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore) 😉
    Actually >> Educated Intelligence is Outside of 33 principles, yes/no.
    It’s not mentioned once. Interesting that it became a point of discussion within the philosophy, Educated that is. And if it has a point connection, then wouldn’t a philosophy be able to extend into one of Educated’s elements, like the Subconscious? OK OK..
    I’ll stay strictly within 1-33. Period 😉

    • Steve 08/27/2014, 4:29 pm:

      If one considers the educated mind to be a product of matter, then it is subject to the same effect of subluxation as any other matter is.

      • David Suskin 08/27/2014, 6:57 pm:

        Steve,
        Well this IS true, and I do not want to stray too much, however, uh-hum,
        being that we judge subluxation as something that requires adjusting, based on the 33 principles, and in that educated mind can and does override innate functions to allow for environmental adaptations, and since judgement and adjusting are acts of free will, the free will that allows for good educated mind adaptations, as MY observations (inductions) tell me, is Nill compared to the potential distortions and ill effects that educated mind has on innate intelligence. Thus all the Slipping and Mixing and OIBU that is profoundly greater in the human species. I observe

        But Yes Steve, subluxation effects everything that deals with LIFE, from .000000000001% to 100%.

        All of this could segue into a previous discussion dealing with the Success and Influence of Chiropractic on Mankind, presented as an objective model (OSC) vs a result model (Something you can touch, or feel, or witness (without MIXING). I’d better stop other wise I’m gonna get myself thrown out of here. 😉
        The gap between theoretical and actual can be huge.

        • Steve 08/27/2014, 10:01 pm:

          Yes but the gap between principles and reality is negligible.

          • David Suskin 08/27/2014, 10:49 pm:

            Steve,
            That’s your experience?
            Let’s take
            P30. The Causes of Dis-ease – Interference with the transmission of Innate forces causes incoordination or dis-ease.
            How do you demonstrate to a pm where their incoordination or dis-ease is, and what are their specific manifestations of this principle?
            What principle points to a reality called educated intelligence?

          • Steve 08/29/2014, 7:02 pm:

            David,
            If innate intelligence has but one job to do, adapt matter and UF for coordinated action, there can only be one result, no? You must demonstrate THE LOGIC or you’re working therapeutically.
            There is no principle that describes educated intelligence, nor heart rate nor kidney function…..

          • David Suskin 08/29/2014, 7:46 pm:

            Steve,
            OK, good point…
            So you’re saying, and this might lead into Joe’s latest post, about presenting or results outside the box, that LOGIC is what you present to a PM (new one), or the public or anyone who would normally be associating chiropractic with:
            “chiropractic gets sick people well’ model.”
            OSC present LOGIC as the Result, otherwise you’re working therapeutically. What do you think?

      • Joe Strauss 08/28/2014, 2:40 pm:

        Steve, just a slight correction: Educated mind is the activity in the educated brain and is a product of the matter and its genetic and acquired limitations and the innate intelligence and its limitation, incoordination of action due to interference to the mental impulse. The chiropractor addresses the former limitation by improving the acquired education of the public and he/she addresses the latter by correcting VS if, when, and where it exists.

        • Steve 08/29/2014, 6:45 pm:

          Atta boy Joe,
          You and Claude always seem to make what I say… so much better.

          • Joe Strauss 08/30/2014, 1:55 am:

            Steve, we only build on your excellent foundation.

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