Further thoughts on partial death:

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Vertebral Subluxation leads to interference with the mental impulse causing a lack of intelligent active organization. (is that phrase redundant?)
We must keep in mind that in chiropractic we are dealing with two kinds of life, universal life (existence, Principles #1,2) and innate life (biological life, Principle #20). Theology addresses more, such as soul life although BJ apparently (mis)used that theological term and applied it to biological life (calling it “the subtle substance of the Soul” when referring to innate intelligence). Theology also addresses eternal existence and eternal life which D.D. seemed to allude to in his 1914 (unauthorized and posthumously published) text.

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  1. Claude Lessard 08/31/2014, 12:54 pm:

    Joseph,

    You posted: “Vertebral Subluxation leads to interference with the mental impulse causing a lack of intelligent active organization. (is that phrase redundant?)”

    That phrase is NOT redundant… it is somewhat confusing though.-

    – Innate intelligence IS the law of active organization which is perfect (pri.22). There is either 100% innate intelligence or 0%. There cannot be a “lack of innate intelligence”. There can be a lack of “cellfless” cells available for being adapted by innate intelligence due to VS. Then the innate intelligence of the cell will adapt the universal force available for the cell and will maintain it in active organization, at the cellular level, until such a time that it can no longer do so without breaking a universal law (pri.24). ACTIVE organization is ALWAYS 100% PROPORTIONAL to the organization of e/matter. In other words, there is ALWAYS 100% law of ACTIVE organization present until there is NOT one cell available for being adapted by innate intelligence to evidence at least one sign of life (pri.18). This is called t “the death of the last cell” that has been broken down to its smallest atomic elements which are ALWAYS maintained in EXISTENCE by universal intelligence (pri.1) which is congruent with the second law of Sir Isaac Newton, namely, the law of conservation of e/matter. –

    – We must remember that the mission of innate intelligence and the function of innate intelligence are separate and distinct (pri.21 and 23)… The mission of innate intelligence is its purpose, its raison d’être, it’s objective. The function of innate intelligence is HOW it fulfills its raison d’être, its purpose, its objective. It is principle #22 that confirms this: “There is 100% innate intelligence in every “living thing”, the requisite amount, PROPORTIONAL to its organization (the adapted configuration of its electrons, protons and neutrons and their velocities). That’s WHY the triune is comprised of three necessary united factors, intelligence, force and matter (pri.4). These factors are SEPARATE and DISTINCT from each other. It is the second factor, FORCE, that is interfered WITH by VS. It is FORCE that is lacking FLOW due to the influence of VS on the TRANSMITTING e/matter. (BTW, it is the reason why we define a profession by its objective, its purpose, its raison d’être). 😉 In other words: –

    – VS interferes with an innate force (mental impulse with intelligent direction) reverting it back to a universal force (nerve impulse without intelligent direction) CAUSING a lack of ease of the TRANSMITTING matter, which further increases the limitation of e/matter. It is due to this further increase of limitation of e/matter that a particular cell becomes “cellfish”. This particular “cellfish” cell is then literally “unavailable” for being adapted by innate intelligence for COORDINATION OF ACTION of all the parts of the body. At that point, the body is NOT fully expressing the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the body, which CAUSES a lack of COORDINATION OF ACTION… violating principle #32. –

    – This is the WHAT and the WHY and the HOW of the chiropractic objective: WHAT? = The Innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the body. WHY? = For a full expression of the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the body. HOW? = By LACVS. PERIOD! –

    – Therefore, as per our lexicon: 26.) Objective of chiropractic: The objective of chiropractic is to locate, analyze and correct vertebral subluxations for the full expression of the innate forces of the innate intelligence of the body. PERIOD! 😉 –

    – I agree with your observations of BJ and DD… We must always remember that these two incredible minds, thought and formulated the building blocks which, created the solid foundational platform of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s Basic science.

    • Joe Strauss 09/01/2014, 12:45 pm:

      Claude, you posted”- Innate intelligence IS the law of active organization which is perfect (pri.22). There is either 100% innate intelligence or 0%. There cannot be a “lack of innate intelligence”. Would not 0% be a lack of innate intelligence? A corpse lying in the morgue has 0% innate intelligence, does it not?

      • Claude Lessard 09/01/2014, 6:05 pm:

        Of course! The innate intelligence of the body, the innate intelligence of the systems, the innate intelligence of the organs is no longer maintaining active organization of these components. The innate intelligence of the cell will maintain cells alive without breaking a universal law until the e/matter of those cells are broken down to their atomic elements and are no longer adaptable by the law if active organization many years down the road, if is is entombed. Example: Some Egyptian tombs of mommies excavation have revealed that some male corpses grew beards; some 5000 year old seeds were from other tombs were planted and grew into fruits. that being said, the innate intelligence of the body is no longer maintains the body of a corpse Iin active organization. It is no longer a”living body”.

        • Steve 09/02/2014, 4:05 pm:

          This is the problem I have with your concept of innate intelligence “of the cell”. It becomes so confusing when you say a subluxation does not deprive a cell or tissue of intelligence because there is innate intelligence within the cell. If innate force is the physical/metaphysical representation of innate intelligence, and that force is disrupted by impingement, then there is no innate intelligence “of the body” arriving at the destination matter.
          Principle 28 states “The forces of Innate Intelligence operate through or over the nerve system in animal bodies”. How can the organelles of the cell downstream of the subluxation be actively organized by innate intelligence “of the cell”, if there are no nerves within the cell? For innate intelligence to be expressed within the cell, would that not require an innate brain and a conduit for innate force (nerve) in each individual cell?
          Possibly this new concept deserves a new term, perhaps cellular intelligence. Since it ceases to exist when the chemistry is exhausted it may be an intelligence “reserve”, not active organization/

          • David Suskin 09/02/2014, 4:24 pm:

            My 2cents:
            I remember Bruce Lipton in one of his talks, stating, he would use stem cells and promote growth of muscle cells, or epithelial cells, etc. in a medium that was appropriate (environment), for those cells. That the Brain in a cell is really the memBrane. But the point being that these cells live, as can many cells of the body, outside of the body (transplants, generated skin tissue, etc.)

            I think the pattern works like this:
            Life of the cell is dependent on the life of the body which is dependent on the life of the cell.
            Innate intelligence of the cell which promotes it’s life is dependent on the Innate intelligence of the body which promotes it’s life which is dependent on the innate intelligence of the cell which promotes it’s life, etc. etc. on and on..

          • Claude Lessard 09/03/2014, 12:23 pm:

            Steve,

            The solution to your problem is contained within your problem. And it seems this problem stems from a reasoning based on the false premise that “the BIG fellow lives upstairs and the little fellow downstairs”. When you start with a false premise, it will lead you to a false conclusion… even though your reasoning might be logical. Innate intelligence was NEVER confined to the physical brain. It was the assumption of our ancestors, as they understood in their days, and it was necessary to go that route in order to move forward with the philosophy. It was GOOD reasoning based on the information of their time. Now, you mentioned in past posts that you had lost your “pigmy”. Why would you want to pick it up that pigmy again? He will create so many problems for you as he can only think at the same level of thinking of the past… as a traditionalist. Again, I repeat, it was NECESSARY for the past. Today, with new information, comes the responsibility to build upon the valid information of the past and to let go of the invalid information of the past. –

            – VS interferes with the FLOW of mental impulse which means that “downstream” (your term, even though there is no down and up) principle #32 has been violated. This means that VS interferes with COORDINATION OF ACTION. –

            – Also, principle #28 is about the nerve system in animal bodies being the operating system (OS), so to speak, for coordination of activities. That’s why you can transport a heart from Philadelphia to Columbia, transplant it into a living person and it might work. There are absolutely no nerve attached to that heart while en route and the organelles of the cells of the heart are maintained in active organization (alive) by the innate intelligence of the organ. –

            – BTW, if you have a friend living in Australia and you ask him to go outside and look up at the sky, which way is UP? 😉

          • Steve 09/03/2014, 5:11 pm:

            Claude,
            It is the Giant that has been lost, believe me, the pygmy remains.
            If you remove a heart from the body it is no longer coordinated with anything. Soon it will begin to decompose. revert to universal life. This is the reason for keeping it on ice. the heart remains organized only for a short time, but this is a carry over from the donor’s innate intelligence. How long do you think the heart would last at 98.6 degrees, outside the body? Indeed the new heart does not coordinate itself with the recipients body, it must be connected to the nerve system or artificially controlled. There is no innate intelligence within the heart to coordinate itself with the recipient. The heart does not adapt to the new body. It must be adapted.
            Just because you can hook a current to a severed frog’s leg to make it twitch, does not make it alive.
            Unless a nerve sends impulses bidirectionally there should be a up/down stream
            Up, as you said, is from the ground to the sky in Australia just as it is here, no?

    • Joe Strauss 09/01/2014, 2:41 pm:

      Can “active organization” be anything but intelligent?

      • Claude Lessard 09/01/2014, 6:11 pm:

        Active organization can ONLY be intelligent and is either completely present OR totally absent. The latter being due to the lack of adaptable e/matter by the law of active organization without breaking a universal law.

  2. David Suskin 09/02/2014, 2:06 pm:

    Looking for some clarification (and pardon my repetitions)
    Being that
    ‘P23. The Function of Innate Intelligence IS >> The function of Innate Intelligence is to adapt universal forces and matter for use in the body, so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.’

    My interpretation is that essentially
    Innate Intelligence ADAPTS Universal Forces >> Period. That’s IT!
    The coordinated action for mutual benefit is a product of Matter. Within p23 it says ‘for use in the body, so that’, which identifies this process being a product of NORMAL operations of Living Matter. It’s the completion of co-ordination, that is a harmony
    p32. The Principle of Coordination – Coordination is the principle of harmonious action of all the parts of an organism, in fulfilling their offices and purposes. WHICH LEADS TO
    ACTIVE ORGANIZATION.
    Active Organization happens because Innate Matter operates this way as a reflection of the word organization, which implies balance, and in living, function structures, that means the necessity of co-ordination. The physiology, and the intelligent design of the body, which might be a product of innate intelligence as a controlling force in the development and expansion of complexity of living organisms (eg. ameba >> plant >> animal >> man) HAPPENS. but essentially Active Organization as a mission of innate intelligence p21 can only happen as the by-product of ADAPTATION OF UNIVERSAL FORCES, operating within the Normal, purposeful, intelligently designed, organized, balanced operations of co-ordinated physiological mechanisms, which are contained within the potentially alive Matter

    hormonal feedback and regulation >> co-ordination >> MATTER
    nerve impulse regulation >> co-ordination >> MATTER

    That it happens and can happen is due to the Constructive innate intelligence allowing the universal forces attained thru the operations of the living Matter operating, without which would be essentially Destructive and therefore perish into it’s UNIVERSAL matter state of thermodynamic entropic stability.

    yes/no

    • David Suskin 09/03/2014, 7:12 pm:

      My Point if not noted IS,
      p23 states The function of Innate Intelligence is to adapt universal forces and matter for use in the body, >> This would conclude the function >>
      The purpose of the function is >> ‘so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.’

      That’s how I read it, if that is accurate then
      ‘all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.’
      represents something that I interpret as taking place in the PARTS OF THE BODY. That’s the Innate MATTER.
      That means co-ordination of action is built into the operations of Innate MATTER.
      Adapting Universal Forces is Innate Intelligence/Innate Force’s job.
      This Allows Innate Matter to operate as it is/ was intended, by design, withing the LOM

      I’m only hashing this out for a complete understanding, and therefore seeing that Innates Mission >> active organization, is really a function of Innate adapting Universal Forces (the function), resulting in a usage, the intention of innate intelligence, perhaps 1. controlling an organs function in a coordinated manner, or in a functional usage type adaptation (eg. Vit D in from sunlight (universal)), or a pure adaptation (A callous formed on a skin area where repeated friction is acting as an irritant).
      All of this creates Active organization as a principle that requires Innate Intelligence, Innate Force AND Innate Matter (intelligently designed). yes/no

      Dave 😉

  3. Claude Lessard 09/03/2014, 6:33 pm:

    Steve,

    What is the difference between maintaining the material of the body in ACTIVE organization and coordination of action of all the parts of the body for mutual benefit?

    • Steve 09/03/2014, 8:21 pm:

      Claude,
      I’m not sure there is a difference, but if you disconnect the nerves you should get neither.(Pri. 28)

      • Claude Lessard 09/04/2014, 12:35 am:

        Steve,

        What does active organization means to the body?

        • Claude Lessard 09/04/2014, 3:09 pm:

          What is ACTIVE organization?

          • Steve 09/05/2014, 1:49 pm:

            The mission of Innate Intelligence is to
            maintain the material of the body of the organic unit in active
            organization. It does this by adapting the forces of universal, (which
            as physical laws are unswerving and unadapted and have no
            solicitude for matter) so they can be used in the body; so that all
            parts will have co-ordinated action, thus every part has mutual
            benefit. (Vol 14)
            Art. 337. THE MISSION OP INNATE INTELLIGENCE.
            Principle No. 21.
            The Mission of Innate Intelligence is to maintain the material
            of the body of a living thing in active organization.
            It is the ambition of Innate Intelligence to build the body and then
            keep it actively organic. The Universe would not be complete
            without everything; hence a universe could not be complete with
            only unadapted forces and universal laws of the destructive kind. In
            order to complete the cycle, there must be construction. In order to
            complete the cycle, a local and specific application of intelligence is
            necessary.(Vol 14)
            So according to this, one(active organization) is a process, the other (coordinated action) is a result.

  4. David Suskin 09/05/2014, 4:07 pm:

    Steve,
    You mention that (in reference to p23)
    ‘so that all
    parts will have co-ordinated action,’
    My Question: So what causes that?
    Does an adaptation of universal forces in it of itself create co-ordinated action perse?
    What induces the action of co-ordination I ask?

    • Steve 09/05/2014, 5:19 pm:

      David,
      From my understanding, the innate brain adapts universal forces into innate forces and propels them into the peripheral nerve system in order to coordinate the matter. Intellectual adaptation is the step in the cycle whereby innate intelligence acts to cause coordination.

      • David Suskin 09/05/2014, 6:30 pm:

        The feature or function distinction I’m going after is
        Is co-ordination of matter a feature of innate intelligences or it a feature of Designed and Operating Matter that operates that way because living forces have been adapted successfully from universal forces which come from outside the living organism.
        Active Organization is the by-product of adapted living forces (innate force adapting universal force), which Allow or perhaps participate in the co-ordination of living processes.
        All of this translates to the maintaining of Innate Matter in Active Organization.
        Am I being circular or confusing here?
        With Innate I register 3 terms
        1. active organization
        2. adaptation of universal force to innate force
        3. co-ordination of parts of an organism, thus fulfilling their offices and purposes p32

        I think, the most important, the key feature of innate intelligence is it’s ability to ADAPT. That’s it! The rest is up to the Matter available and the Intelligent design of that matter, which might have something to do with Innates function as far as how it is involved with the creation of the living organism(s) and their functions (organs, cells, etc.)

        Innate allow Matter to Adapt which means it Lives and adapts to Live until it cannot

        • Steve 09/05/2014, 7:56 pm:

          David,
          Coordination of matter is a function of intelligence. H2O is coordinated universal matter. H2O is not alive as we know it, yet the molecules pair up in a regular fashion. Universal forces bind them together.
          To manifest life the matter must be combined in a particular way, this requires innate intelligence. Taking universal matter (all matter) and adapting it’s structure and forces to promote and sustain life requires further (higher) levels of effort/organization. To say matter adapts is misleading, matter is adapted by force, force created by intelligence. (matter is “unintelligent”)

          P.S. In traditional chiropractic philosophy there is universal matter, innate matter and educated matter. All matter is universal matter, living matter is innate organized universal matter, educated matter is universal matter that is organized by innate intelligence/force and controlled by educated intelligence.

          • David Suskin 09/05/2014, 8:30 pm:

            Interesting Steve, interesting!
            You describe this function of Innate Intelligence,

            “p23 The function of Innate Intelligence is to adapt universal forces and matter for use in the body, so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.”

            BUT, with seemingly ANOTHER PRINCIPLE
            THAT BEING:
            Coordination of matter is a function of intelligence.???

            Perhaps p23 should read
            Since Coordination of matter is a function of intelligence,
            the function of Innate Intelligence is to adapt universal forces and matter for use in the body to allow all parts of the body to have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit

          • Steve 09/05/2014, 10:49 pm:

            David,
            Please reread you statement 9/5/14 8:30, are you suggesting there is redundancy? That is not a new principle it is merely restating or shortening the original. Perhaps I should have stated , coordination, of matter AND FORCES, is a function of intelligence. You seemed to be having a problem with cause vs. effect, I thought brevity would enlighten.

  5. Claude Lessard 09/05/2014, 4:29 pm:

    Steve,

    You posted that active organization is a process. It is a process of what? In other words, what does it mean “to maintain the material of the body of a “living thing” in ACTIVE organization? What happens to the body that is maintain in ACTIVE organization?

    • Steve 09/05/2014, 5:25 pm:

      You seem to be asking, am I driving the car or is the car driving me…
      An actively organized body is coordinated for the mutual benefit of the whole body.
      “It is a process of what?”…A process of adapting.

    • David Suskin 09/06/2014, 3:25 pm:

      Steve,
      Redundancy? No not at all. So tell me. What principle did you shorten to arrive at
      Coordination is a function of intelligence?
      Ya know, I’ve been back to this Chiro thing for a relatively short time after a long hiatus and years before that. I sometimes feel like such an idiot pounding and pounding myself with manusha while all you professors are out there, more or less owning it. I will say I’ve come a long way. I am walking the walk, more precisely and honestly. I have come much closer to talking Adio completely to my pm’s. And adjusting pm’s and seeing, witnessing the pre and post checks. it blows me away sometimes. And I let my pm’s know that. And I say I owe it all to their innate intelligence.
      Anyway you guys(professors ) have been most helpful and I’ll say patient with me. I do appreciate it. So thank you.
      😉

  6. Claude Lessard 09/05/2014, 8:42 pm:

    Can a body that is maintained in ACTiVE organization by innate intelligence lack coordination of action?

    • Steve 09/05/2014, 10:41 pm:

      Claude,
      If a body is being maintained there should be no lack of coordination. However, if part of that body is disconnected (severance) or dis-communicated (subluxation) from intelligence/intelligent force, then that part is dis-coordinated/dis-eased. Is that not the whole premise of chiropractic (pri. 23/28/29/30/31/32)?

  7. Claude Lessard 09/05/2014, 11:05 pm:

    Therefore innate intelligence maintains the body in ACTIVE organization with or without coordination of action. Ex: The material of a body that is living is maintained in ACTIVE organization by innate intelligence. If there is no VS present it lives, does it not? VS interferes with innate forces causing DIS-EASE of the transmitting matter which in turn causes incoordination of action of the parts of the body. The material of a body a living body is maintained in ACTIVE organization by innate intelligence and if VS is present it lives, does it not? ACTIVE organization means that the “living thing” is kept ALIVE… with or without coordination of action. –

    – With the presence of VS, the body will NOT fully express
    the innate forces of the innate intelligence of the body. Hence, principle #32 is violated… yet it will live!

    • David Suskin 09/06/2014, 1:57 am:

      Claude,
      Which principle relates Innate Intelligence
      DIRECTLY with coordination of body parts?

      • David Suskin 09/06/2014, 2:21 am:

        I rescind the question.
        I have the answer.

  8. Claude Lessard 09/06/2014, 5:10 pm:

    The function of intelligence is to create force (pri.8) . Are you guys “mixing” up your principles? The function of innate intelligence which is to adapt universal forces and e/matter for USE in the body (pri.23). USE IN THE BODY will result in maintaining the material of the body in ACTIVE organization (pri.21) which means that the body is maintained ALIVE. USE IN THE BODY may result in coordination of action of all the parts of the body if there are NO interference with the TRANSMISSION of innate forces (pri.29). Coordination of action is a ONLY one of the result the of function of innate intelligence. In other words coordination of action is NOT the function of innate intelligence. Coordination if action IS only one of the outcomes of the function of innate intelligence. It is very important to understand that. –

    – In the same way that the objective of the law of gravity to maintain the attraction of bodies, it is the objective of the law of organization to maintain all e/matter in existence. It is also the objective of the law of ACTIVE organization to maintain the material of the body of a “living thing” ALIVE.

  9. David Suskin 09/06/2014, 8:33 pm:

    Claude,
    Well I’m glad we settled that universal riddle! 😉
    No seriously, Claude, I’ve been waiting for you to come in on this.
    p21 is the mission of innate, like I have to tell you, but that’s ACTIVE Organization.
    How does that happen?
    What is ACTIVE Organization? specifically? Yes I agree, a body maintained as being ALIVE. I imagine ACTIVE Organization to mean “Kept In It’s negative thermodynamic principled state of organized living structures and living processes, otherwise in a NON-Living, Non-Active state will thermodynamically and biologically come to rest at decomposition, neutral stability of it’s elements and molecules. Dead and Universal Intelligence abounds Only.
    But we say that Innate Intelligence uses the Nervous System to transmit that Innate Force, that is necessary for Innate Matter to be in Active Organization.
    I’ve stated that the end phrase in p23 ‘so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.’
    is a feature of The Innate Matter. OR AS STEVE SAID, that coordination was part of intelligence too. p23 reads a bit confusing, to me at least. That’s why I interpreted the last phrase (so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.) to mean >> It’s within the design of the innate matter that has been intelligently designed to operate that way. Using coordination functions (nervous system control, hormonal control, feedback mechanisms).
    BUT, as I’d assume, and Joe has made much reference to the subject of Intelligent Design, which is as I interpret to mean, INNATE MATTER, with an intelligence in the construction and operation of it, THAT Innate Intelligence is involved with the process of designing and creation of the Life Matter, The Vessel, that operates with all of it’s mechanisms, chemistries, hormonal feedback mechanisms, coordinated mechanisms.
    p23 is as you say, and I have said is Innate Functioning to adapt universal forces and matter for use in the body. A body that has the built in matter that coordinates, digests, assimilates, operates, by design. OR thinking about it, the concept of a body working coordinated, so all parts have mutual benefit IS THE ONLY WAY AN ORGANISM COULD BE ALIVE. The whole being greater than the sum of it’s parts, IS that statement.

    I am not so much confused as trying to see where Innate Intelligence (Innate Forces) ends, and where Innate MATTER begins, being that Innate Matter IS DESIGNED INTELLIGENTLY. And Yes, It operates intelligently, and adapts, intelligently and that might be Innate Intelligence at work p23, without which, Universal forces that the Matter consists of, unAdapted, UNCOORDINATED????, would DeConstruct.
    I think you’ve basically described that process in you your last post, but if I’ve misconstrued, or you see a gap or something plain WRONG!!! I welcome the discussion or clarity.
    What I do notice, is that as I tell the story over and over, and adjust people, being a witness to what’s happening on my chiropractic table, that I get to begin the analysis, give adjustments and then make a determination that THE PERSON HAS BEEN ADJUSTED. THAT! EXPERIENCE, Plus the philosophy, plus telling the philosophy to my PMs, that all fills in some cracks in my understanding of what Chiropractic is, what the Adjustment is!
    Sometimes, the more I think about it, the less I Understand and I’m trying here, on the blog, with you, without condemnation to truly, UNDERSTAND, so that I can deliver a service, with purpose and fulfillment to THE PEOPLE, and myself IN A SUCCESSFUL, LARGE, STRAIGHT FORWARD AND CLEAR WAY.
    I know Chiropractic, but I don’t own it and I want my educated to Own it. It’s very very important, THAT I OWN IT.
    Perhaps it’s my excuse to fail, this perfection thing. Joe has spoken about that success thing, in his wonderful books. I figure, the more I own it, and BELIEVE IT, KNOW IT. The more on track I can stay and FULFILL MY MISSION, a mission, that will put me on a path, that I choose, that I want, that wants me, that I love, that loves me.
    I’m trying
    ADIO 🙂

    • Claude Lessard 09/08/2014, 11:30 am:

      Dave,

      First you say: “But we say that Innate Intelligence uses the Nervous System to transmit that Innate Force, that is necessary for Innate Matter to be in Active Organization.” That statement is not accurate. Innate intelligence uses the nerve system to TRANSMIT innate forces for coordination of action NOT for ACTIVE organization. The nerve system is NOT specifically needed for ACTIVE organization The innate intelligence of the heart that is being transported from Philadelphia to Atlanta does NOT use the nerve system for keeping the heart in ACTIVE organization, meaning ALIVE. The nerve of the right hand of a soldier that has been severed from a war wound and that is not functional, is kept alive without the use of that nerve and yet the hand is totally useless. –

      – Then you say: “THAT Innate Intelligence is involved with the process of designing and creation of the Life Matter, The Vessel, that operates with all of it’s mechanisms, chemistries, hormonal feedback mechanisms, coordinated mechanisms.” Once again, the function of intelligence is to create forces (prin.8) NOT create e/matter. The function of innate intelligence is to adapt universal forces and e/matter (pro.23) NOT create life matter as you say. Innate intelligence maintains the ALREADY existing material of the body of a “living thing” in active organization. LAW never create, LAW maintains organization of ALREADY EXISTING e/matter. Principle #1 states: A universal intelligence IS in ALL e/matter, (that EXIST ALREADY) and give to it all its properties and actions, thus MAINTAINS it in its existence. The LAW OF ORGANIZATION (universal intelligence) does NOT create e/matter as e/matter ALREADY exist, it has ALREADY been created BEFORE the major premise and is included in the major premise (A universal intelligence IS in ALL e/matter…). Chiropractic begins with the major premise, NOT before. Creation of e/matter and creation of laws (gravity, thermodynamics, electromagnetism, universal intelligence, thermodynamics, conservation of e/matter, innate intelligence, etc) goes BEYOND the major premise and is outside chiropractic. I mentioned before, that the major premise is a universal premise that belongs to the universe, even though it was articulated by chiropractors, and is ASSUMED (appropriated) through observation and inductive reasoning by chiropractic with principle #2 : The expression of this intelligence through e/matter is the chiropractic meaning of life (universal life or existence). BEYOND the major premise, we leave the universal e/matter and go into theology, which is NOT part of chiropractic at all. This does NOT mean that we do not believe in Deity or Divinity (that we call God). It does mean that the “divinizationtion” that BJ conferred when he began his “TRUTH” by writing that “We chiropractors work with the subtle substance of the soul” was totally uncalled for (and I say this, with all due respect). I still maintain, that BJ’s brilliant mind was developing concepts according to his understanding of the information available in his time and that it was necessary to do so. Now today, it is necessary to LET THAT GO in order to refine the philosophy… which is certainly what this blog is all about. Divinizationtion and anthropomorphism has NO place in chiropractic. We been through this at length two years ago with bloggers WHO chose to equate universal intelligence with GOD and innate intelligence as being GOD IN MAN. You may want to read those “lengthy blogs” (à la David Suskin) 😉 . It is universal intelligence (the law of organization) with its function and innate intelligence (the law of active organization) with its function, AND the ALREADY existing e/matter with its function that are subjects of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s Basic science. Nothing else! –

      – We must remember that DNA and RNA are ALREADY existing e/matter with their specific properties and activities provided by the law of organization and maintained in existence by it. The law of organization (universal intelligence) creates INSTRUCTIVE INFORMATION which UNITE intelligence and ALREADY existing e/matter (pri.10). This ALREADY existing e/matter, in turn, expresses this INSTRUCTIVE INFORMATION (pri.13) and is manifested through motion. –

      – Principle #18 states that: The signs of life are evidence of life. Principle #20 states: A (ALREADY existing) “living thing” HAS an INBORN intelligence within its body, called innate intelligence. Living e/matter is ALREADY created which occurred BEYOND the major premise. Therefore, when we deal with principle #23, the function of the law of ACTIVE organization, for use in the body, will result in keeping the “living thing” ALIVE and perhaps, as it uses the nerve system, will coordinate ALL the parts of the body for mutual benefit, as long as there are NO interference with TRANSMISSION of innate forces (pri.29) without breaking a universal law (pri.24). –

      – Now, do you see WHY what you posted: ” the concept of a body working coordinated, so all parts have mutual benefit IS THE ONLY WAY AN ORGANISM COULD BE ALIVE” is based on a false premise and lead to a false conclusion, which confuses the “living daylight out of you” and creates difficulties for your “owning” chiropractic philosophy? –

      – Perhaps it’s time for all of us, together without condemnation, to go deeper into each individual principle of chiropractic’s Basic science in order to have a greater understanding of them… starting with the major premise. It’s really up to the administrator of COTB. 🙂

  10. David Suskin 09/08/2014, 2:47 pm:

    Claude,
    I have much to respond to, and thank you for your direction.
    For the moment, are you saying that The Spinal Adjustment, the correction of VS has NOTHING TO DO DIRECTLY WITH ACTIVE ORGANIZATION of e/matter?
    Is there an intelligence responsible for (eg. the development of the cascade of reactions that allow for blood clotting?, or for assimilation (digestive process). When references have been made to intelligent design, What is being referred to with the word ‘Intelligent’, and where has that intelligence come from. And Yes, if you say, That has nothing to do with the 33 principles, I’ll accept that.
    Yes, I’m alluding to I’d guess, evolution and e/matter, and if this e/matter is AN INTELLIGENT DESIGN, well, I’d logically deduce that Innate Intelligence WORKS with that Intelligent Design (e/matter) and maintains it in Active Organization. But you’re saying NO DAVID, it has nothing to do with innate forces Transmitting intelligent impulses, using the nervous system, that interact with the e/matter and in doing so maintains it in Active Organization. NO DAVID, that is coordination of the CELLS >>> CELLS have Active Organization, and if innate intelligence did not coordinate- thru the nervous system the body parts, then that Active Organization of the CELLS would be disharmonious an render a DeConstruction effect, leading to the failure of Active Organization thus allow for the failure of Life to continue?

    I will re-read your passage to me and digest it and respond more accurately. But for now, those where my initial, perhaps to Quick impressions, and response to what you replied.

    So:
    Universal Intelligence
    Innate Intelligence
    Innate Force (Mental impulse)
    Nervous System
    Nerve Impulse
    Active Organization
    Cell Intelligence
    Coordination

    Map those terms for me, if you will or I’m calling you Claude, (your permission of course), and I need voice to voice on this subject.

    Blogging is like driving a Pinto. I need a Porsche.
    Anyway – I’ll reply latter but if you care to YELL AT ME. GO AHEAD,
    MAKE MY DAY! 😉

    • David Suskin 09/08/2014, 2:57 pm:

      Yes, this is becoming,
      You’re Abbott
      I’m Costello
      Who’s on first, What’s on second, I don’t know is on 3rd base
      and I DO GIVE A DARN is ME! 😉

      • David Suskin 09/08/2014, 4:11 pm:

        Claude,
        Let me give this another try, because I think we agree, but for a change :), I’m not communicating that.
        Active Organization is a state required for Life, where all structures, processes, e/matter reverse-thermodynamic. It Lives Constructively with the signs of Life.
        The nervous system transmits a metaphysical mental impulse, that allows for
        1. adaptation of universal forces into innate forces. If it was not available, the destructive nature of uf would prevent life, active organization from occuring, causing thermodynamic rest, stability of elements and molecules
        2. mental impulses provide coordination of body parts, essentially allowing living cells and organs (heart, liver, etc.) to be directed, and once again maintained in active organization by innate intelligence of the BODY. Without this, all organs, and cells would be under the direction of their OWN innate intelligence (cellfish as you have said). Sometimes that body, (innate intelligence can adapt and survive, sometimes it can’t) ‘THE DEALING WITH ROGUE CELLS, ETC.

        Tell me your take, but be kind 🙂

        the principle 23
        The function of Innate Intelligence is to adapt universal forces and matter for use in the body, so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.

        The way I read it, is that Innate Intelligence (of the body) BASICALLY ADAPTS UNIVERSAL FORCES AND MATTER FOR USE IN THE BODY.

        p30 The Causes of Dis-ease – Interference with the transmission of Innate forces causes incoordination or dis-ease.
        DESCRIBES the function of the nervous system, BUT IN THE NEGATIVE – implying that NO INTERFERENCE with transmission of innate forces CAUSES COORDINATION or DIS-EASE.

        It’s this SPLIT in principle 23
        “so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.”
        is what leaves me hanging.
        it makes me deduce that ALL PARTS OF THE BODY WILL HAVE COORDINATE ACTION FOR MUTUAL BENEFIT IF,
        IF, IF there is adaptation of universal forces and matter for use in the body.
        So What causes that coordination? Adaptation? Well yes, in a way, but as related to the nervous system, and Innate Intelligence creating innate force to transmit mental impulses to do WHAT?
        ADAPT?
        COORDINATE?
        I interpret the nervous system to be a coordinating system, and I understand that Active Organization is the state of LIVING as innates mission, but that gap, that, SO THE BODY CAN HAVE ALL PARTS BE COORDINATED AND HAVE MUTUAL BENEFIT. THAT PART. It reads as though that is a MATERIAL COMPONENT.
        Innate Intelligence 1st, innate force 2nd, Adaptation of Matter 3rd (universal to innate), and then LET IT RIP, in the Matter, the organized matter, the intelligently designed matter. If the matter did not have an intelligent design, let’s say it was all elemental, and just bags of molecules, and along came Innate intelligence and did the whole thing, MADE LIFE!! BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS.. We have living, cellular, organs, that live in BODY, CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT, that sustains their life (the cells), and all mutually controlled by systems. Those systems are matter. Those systems have intelligent design. MATTER. How they became Intelligent? I don’t know. I assumed it has to be an innate force.
        Anyway, that’s why I’ve been dragging in Intelligent Design. Is that Chiropractic? I don’t know. Should it be Chiropractic. I THINK SO. We talk about Matter all the time. Without matter, Innate intelligence would not be able to operate. How did this Matter that makes up the body, become intelligently designed? BEYOND THE SCOPE OF OSC? OK, if you say so?
        OK so now that I’ve thoroughly made myself totally unclear, you let me know.
        Where does Active Organization come from, step by step
        Is Coordination a necessary process for life to occur? I think so.
        Is innate Intelligence a feature of coordination? I think so.
        Is Active Organization driven by Innate Intelligence? I think so.
        How it all mixes up. As you see
        Conflict Creates what do you say Clarity?
        If you’re still on board, you, anyone, straighten this l’il ole country chiropractor out or I’ll straighten you out 🙂

  11. David Suskin 09/08/2014, 4:14 pm:

    correction – midway down
    – implying that NO INTERFERENCE with transmission of innate forces CAUSES COORDINATION or DIS-EASE. should read
    – implying that NO INTERFERENCE with transmission of innate forces CAUSES COORDINATION or EASE.

  12. Claude Lessard 09/08/2014, 4:59 pm:

    David,

    1- … to maintain the material of the body of a “living thing” means: to keep the body alive. This can occur with or without VS being present (remember that many “living things” do not have a nerve system). –

    2- … “so that all parts of the body will have coordinated action for mutual benefit” is about 100% FUNCTION of the all the parts of living body. With VS present 100% FUNCTION will NOT occur, yet the process of life, as you say, will continue to go on until there is no more e/matter available for being adapted by innate intelligence, without breaking a universal law. –

    – Principle 30 is rather clear: Interference with TRANSMISSION of innate forces causes incoordination of DIS-EASE. Principle 30 does NOT state that interference with TRANSMISSION of innate forces causes a lack of ACTIVE organization of the material of the living body. The body is either alive or dead… there is no in-between. –

    3- The major premise is our start point. Anything before the major premise is outside chiropractic and is not needed to “own” chiropractic and tell the story over and over and over and over again in as many creative ways as doable.

  13. David Suskin 09/08/2014, 5:07 pm:

    Claude,
    You say:
    ” It is universal intelligence (the law of organization) with its function and innate intelligence (the law of active organization) with its function, AND the ALREADY existing e/matter with its function that are subjects of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s Basic science. Nothing else! -”
    OK, and the e/matter which is INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED, or functional, (eg. not a blob, but is intricately functional with MECHANISM).
    That’s! the e/matter we’re talking about?
    SO YOU’RE SAYING .Innate Intelligence basically MAINTAINS… the functionality of fertilization, is basically a continuation of LIFE, from generation to generation, and INNATE INTELLIGENCE IS MAINTAINING THAT PROCESSING MATTER, in Active Organization
    yes/no

    • Claude Lessard 09/08/2014, 5:51 pm:

      David,

      Stick to the principles. It is the 33 principles of chiropractic’s Basic science that are the AUTHORITY of chiropractic. You can argue with them as much as you want. You have to reconcile your thinking with the principles if you want to “own” chiropractic.
      Those are mind games and Lennon say: “We’ve got to let it go”. –

      – So, as we let go or Abbott and Costello, auniversal intelligence IS in ALL e/matter and CONTINUALLY gives to it ALL its properties and actions, thus MAINTAINING it in existence. (pri.1). The function of intelligence is to create force (pri.8) nothing else. The function of force is to unite intelligence and ALREADY existing (as per principle 1) e/matter (pri.10) nothing else. The function of e/matter is to express force (pri.13) nothing else. Without intelligence and force, e/matter would NOT be maintained in existence. In other words, e/matter would cease to exist. A “living thing” HAS an innate intelligence (pri.20) which maintains the material of the body in ACTIVE organization, meaning ALIVE (pri.21). The function of innate intelligence is to adapt universal forces and ALREADY existing e/matter (pri.23) without breaking a universal law (pri.24) nothing else. That is HOW the principles work and they do work. 😉

      Carry on. ADIO.

      • David Suskin 09/08/2014, 6:05 pm:

        Claude,
        OK, I will pull calm down, take my foot off the accelerator a bit, BUT
        could we say
        Inductively We observe the intelligence in matter p1 AND
        Inductively We observe the intelligence in living matter p18,p20)
        and we deduce p21 from p1 (organization of matter, active organization of living matter) and …
        as I reconcile my thinking with the principles, which I am
        and there is no process that doesn’t require time.
        I will be patient and again thank you…
        JOE >>> I NEED ANOTHER BOOK!!!!! 🙂

  14. Steve 09/08/2014, 5:29 pm:

    This distinction between active organization and coordination is a tough one. If my right arm is cut off it is no longer coordinated with the rest of my body, it is also no longer being actively organized by the innate intelligence of my body. Yes it will appear to remain organized and does not fall to molecular pieces, immediately. This however, seems to be a residual type of organization. It is not being renewed constantly, like when it was still attached. Such as when hair and nails continue to grow after death, those cells are not alive they are just reacting out until the chemistry is depleted. Can not the same be said for a severed limb? Left on it’s own it would soon parish and revert to universal matter. Even cryotherapy only prolongs or sustains it temporarily, hence the “window” of acceptability.

    • David Suskin 09/08/2014, 5:43 pm:

      Steve,
      I understand, but how is, based on the 33 principles, active organization of the Body, (not the cell), brought about? Thru the nerve? thru the mental impulse in the nerve? thru coordination brought about by the mental impulse in the nerve? thru the matter being mechanistically functional, kind of like the MENTAL IMPULSE PULLS THE SWITCH(S), ON THE MATTER. And/Or is active organization a Trophic influence and coordination is a feature that is ALSO required to maintain Life, and that is what the Nerve(proper), the impulse does. Help me here Steve, in YOUR DEFINITIVE UNDERSTANDING OF THE 33 PRINCIPLES, how it works?
      metaphysically, physically?

      My last comment delt with what I think Claude was alluding to. that being, II MAINTAINS, does not create. And Life comes from Life, so maintain and adaption is what is required in already INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED process of what generates the signs of Life.
      I just wonder also about this whole concept of intelligent design, as we in p1 observer the organization of the universe, we in p20, observe (and in p18), that organization of living things are organized in their structures and in their vastly complex functions. These functions that are in the matter (chemistry of operation of life (eg. hormones, enzymes, homeostasis), are INTELLIGENT as they would appear. Does Innate Intelligence have anything to do with that? or is THAT the whole subject of CREATION and/or Evolution which Chiropractic 33 principles has nothing to do with??

      A big headache for my understanding
      Hellllllllllllllllp!

    • Claude Lessard 09/08/2014, 7:52 pm:

      Steve,

      You posted: “Such as when hair and nails continue to grow after death, those cells are not alive”. Isn’t it growth a sign of life? If so, those cells are alive and are maintained in active organization by the innate intelligence of the cell, Care they not?

  15. Steve 09/08/2014, 10:21 pm:

    Active organization is up to the minute, actually up to the split second, re-evaluation and ongoing control, it is a cyclical process. Cells, tissues, and organs, even organisms may function somewhat after death (disconnect), but there is no LIVING cycle. Coordination would be evidence of active organization.
    Maybe Claude would enlighten us upon other results, proofs or evidences of active organization.

    • Claude Lessard 09/08/2014, 11:01 pm:

      Any one sign of life is the evidence of ACTIVE organization (pri. 18) of e/matter which means that it is a “living thing”.
      The living cycle occurs whenever there is at least one of the signs of life present. This is proven by the AUTHORITY of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s Basic science. Most particularly principles #18, 19, 20 and 21. It is fine if you have a problem with it, then you have to take it up with the principles. 😉

      • David Suskin 09/08/2014, 11:41 pm:

        Claude,
        So active organization really is an induction. 1 sign of life and poof. That means active organization. What you’re saying is that active organization is a complete mystery. There is inductive evidence of it, but how it happens, is unknown, accept that it requires innate intelligence and innate intelligence is joined to innate matter via innate force and when that occurs over the nervous system, that is the act of coordination.
        Yes/no?

      • David Suskin 09/09/2014, 2:31 pm:

        Claude and fellow philosophers
        So if p1 Universal Intelligence is to Organization of matter – EXISTENCE – inductive
        then
        p18,20 is Innate Intelligence is to Active Organization of innate matter –
        LIFE – deductive and inductive thru p18 (Signs of Life)
        and
        p23 is Adaptation of universal forces into innate forces, so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.
        WHICH IS THE REALM OF SUBLUXATION – as it effects Active Organization thru UNCoordination >> SO
        As we describe the Objective of Chiropractic is to allow Innate Intelligence to Express Itself Fully, Isn’t the Objective as a more concrete and better understood, and demonstrated,
        To Allow Coordination of Body Parts for Mutual Benefit – That’s immediate impact of The Adjustment in Removing the UNCOORDINATION of Dis-ease.
        It’s uncoordination and how that impacts LIFE, Active Organization, Innate Intelligences mission OR it’s
        Adaptation of Universal Forces to Innate Forces, which is the expression of Innate Intelligence AND WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THAT IS >> coordination, active organization, adaptation, HEALTH, etc.

        PM’s I think while they do get Innate Intelligence and the Expression of Innate Intelligence Fully, I think that the DEMONSTRATION OF INCOORDINATION is more easily explained and perhaps more directly accurate being that it is a PHYSICAL CONCEPT – Coordination of Health vs Incoordination of Dis-Ease

        thoughts?

        • Claude Lessard 09/09/2014, 3:33 pm:

          David,

          What is the objective of chiropractic from the lexicon?

          • David Suskin 09/09/2014, 3:48 pm:

            The objective of chiropractic is to locate, analyze and correct vertebral subluxations for the full expression of the innate forces of the innate intelligence of the body. PERIOD!

            Expression implies Matter
            >>13. The Function of Matter – The function of matter is to express force.
            And What IS THAT expression – all parts of the body having co-ordinated action for mutual benefit >> COORDINATION

            if that is correct, then what is more easily understood
            objective of OSC defines US
            What I’m trying to definitely define is OUR Communication
            or NOOOO NOOOO NOOOO David. First of all You’re Wrong, Second of all you’re forgetting the PERIOD 😉 OOPS!

            But seriously, Am I that WRONG, or misguided or seeking something that is not relevant, or THUMBS DOWN 🙁

  16. David Suskin 09/08/2014, 11:35 pm:

    Steve,
    You say:
    Active organization is up to the minute, actually up to the split second, re-evaluation and ongoing control, it is a cyclical process.
    >>what is the vehicle for control, this cyclical process. The nervous system? Some metaphysical connection from ii, transmitted by innate force to innate matter? Cyclical? Sounds like safety pin to me. If so, isn’t that the domain of the nervous system and hasn’t it been said that interference to nerves causes incoordination. That active organization and innate intelligence is a different realm?
    You said:
    Coordination would be evidence of active organization.
    >>My thought is that coordination integrates the parts into the whole, and that is the constructive outcome of innate intelligence. All the parts fulfilling their offices and purposes, with the necessity to adapt universal forces to innate forces in order for this all to happen. That it does, necessitates the reality of Active Organization. Innate intelligences maintainence of the material of the body of a “living thing” in active organization.
    And as you said steve:
    Maybe Claude would enlighten us upon other results, proofs or evidences of active organization.
    >>that is a welcomed request for Claude, and I continue to ponder active organization and what and how it is maintained, in the context of coordination and adaption that innate intelligence renders
    Blah blah blah

  17. Claude Lessard 09/09/2014, 9:12 pm:

    David,

    You are correct this time. The objective of chiropractic is to locate, analyze and correct vertebral subluxations for the full expression of the innate forces of the innate intelligence of the body. PERIOD! –

    – The reason that I asked you the question is because you posted earlier: “As we describe the Objective of Chiropractic is to allow Innate Intelligence to Express Itself Fully”. If you would have remembered that it is normal (pri.27) for innate intelligence to ALWAYS express itself fully as per principle #22 , then you would see that according to the AUTHORITY of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s Basic science, it is the failure of e/matter due to VS that violates principle #32. So, the LACVS is more easily understood, by the practice member, as being paramount in order to live in abiding by principle #32. –

    – When I tell the story over and over and over and over again in so many creative ways, it is me WHO chooses to end by asking the question: “Do you want to spend the rest of your life with coordinated activities of all the parts of your body? Or would you prefer to spend the rest of your life with body parts that are all messed up? The answer is obvious is it not?” Of course, it is me WHO chooses, EVERYDAY, to develop the story suited for the conversation at hand. First, the story RESONATES with the person. Second, the person is INSPIRED by the possibility. Third, those WHO choose to MOVE from point A to point B are on the way leading to the TRANSFORMATION of their own life. –

    – What a privilege when it is me WHO chooses to BE a chiropractor practicing the chiropractic objective! It TRANSFORMS my very own life too which is the TRANSFORMATION of life itself! 😉

    Carry on. ADIO.

    • David Suskin 09/09/2014, 9:39 pm:

      Claude,
      This time – Less is More 😉
      Thank you

    • David Suskin 09/10/2014, 1:42 pm:

      Claude,
      Please forgive me on this one. I have asked this question numerous times. As an aside, It would seem that I move further and further into investigating the 33 principles, with more and more understanding, leading to some personal mental ease, then wake up in the morning with questions, OLD questions that still nag me. What that’s about, I don’t know, You tell me.
      Anyway:
      I’ve arrived at understanding the deductions from p1 of many principles. Certainly the big principle is INNATE FORCE and what it’s function is, how it is impacted (interfered with), how it is the bridge in the Law of Life.
      But how do we arrive DEDUCTIVELY AT
      P28. The Conductors of Innate Forces – The forces of Innate Intelligence operate through or over the nerve system in animal bodies.
      P31 Subluxations – Interference with transmission in the body is always directly or indirectly due to subluxations in the spinal column.

      How do we arrive at that INNATE FORCES – THE BIG METAPHYSICAL LIFE MAKER OR BREAKER, USE THE NERVOUS SYSTEM. I mean, it’s a good guess, it seems like it COULD, but as a Definitive, The quintessential Innate Force Transmission vehicle. I don’t know, I just don’t know. Deductively? Can you prove it?

      and what about:
      Do innate forces exist in the chemistries that function within the body. I’d assume they’d have to. If they’re constructive forces, they have to be innate forces. Perhaps adapted universal forces to innate forces. But innate forces. I’d think

      Anyway Claude, or… , Could Please direct me or answer this, these questions (more importantly number 1)? I’d appreciate it, greatly

      Dave 🙂

  18. David Suskin 09/10/2014, 5:11 pm:

    Appended 09/10/2014, 1:42 pm:
    Joe, and Claude, Steve,
    I your book Chiropractic Philosophy you talk about P31, with reference to the vertebra, Bones, having universal forces generated because of their motion, and I’d assume because of their Mass and this ability to move, let’s say into subluxation (where innate forces cannot maintain their proper position without creating interference), and I understand this. I understand that, even as another point, the nervous system deals with, HELLO! Intelligence, etc. but that would not necessarily implicate the nervous system as the conveyor of Innate Forces.
    There is the whole realm of hormones, and blood chemistries which regulate and control function in target tissues. These chemistries and hormones, I’d assume, if they were not Deconstructive, would be Innate Force Tuned ‘if you will’. How they would become Imbalanced, I’m not sure? Degenerative changes in circulation? Don’t know, I don’t really have a theory. But certainly body chemistry, particular the endocrine system (eg. as effected by stress, at least), would create imbalance and the word we all wait for INCOORDINATION, at least I can see it that way, but I might be wrong.

    Maybe it’s this whole matter that here we are Chiropractors. With a very very profound observation (Intelligence) and that the Spine would happen to be A WEAK LINK, in this process, Subluxation, interfering with Innate Forces, well sometimes, I guess I find It hard to believe! Maybe I’m thinking too much of LOM and that innate intelligence, with it’s theoretical ADIO negative potential effects on LIFE, and that we as Chiropractors have Stumbled on this FACT. This Weakness, This LOM, This Subluxation. It makes me shake my head in disbelief, even though we prove it. But that’s why I keep coming back to this anatomical / nervous system DEDUCTION? Kind of more of an induction? yes/no >> but sometimes I think of it as another leap of faith, particularly that this metaphysical mental impulse is invisible, can’t be measured, etc. and WE SAY IT’S ROOTED 99.9% in the subluxation disturbance??
    Hard for me to accept.
    Comments? Be Kind 😉

    • Steve 09/10/2014, 7:44 pm:

      Find and read Dr Reggie Gold’s Chemistry of Life.

      • Steve 09/10/2014, 8:35 pm:

        Here it is….Reggie’s “Chem. of Life” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEDExWspZ1c

        • David Suskin 09/10/2014, 11:48 pm:

          It’s good steve. Certainly Reggie presents good explanations that universalize chiropractics application for the lay person. Some pointers for sure.
          Very mechanistic of course. Understandable yes. Incorrect or opinioned, not factual on some accounts.
          Definitely Not 33 principles although he mentions coordinated as a term.
          No, my question I think delves into other aspects.
          It’s all good.
          I’m adapting 😉

          • Claude Lessard 09/11/2014, 1:19 pm:

            David,

            From previous posts you lead us to believe that you wanted to communicate the message to your PMs so that they could accept chiropractic for the purpose of having their spines, and those of their families, checked once a week for life. Reggie is a MASTER at making the message simple for lay people. This is WHERE we fail in chiropractic. WHAT is the missing link, for the WORLD, in chiropractic? Research? A sign that chiropractic works? A different technique? Market Analysis? Acceptance by the Medics, by the Scientists? ALL that is good AND It is NOT the need of the people. The world needs people WHO have come AWAKE to their CALL with PASSION. For a chiropractor, it is to practice the chiropractic objective and communicate it to the people in a simple message. This is the “know HOW” that may RESONATE with people. If it does, perhaps those people WHO may choose to MOVE to be a lifetime practice member, there will be some of WHO may be INSPIRED by the possibility of having the CHOICE to become chiropractic ambassadors or chiropractors themselves. Reggie is STILL the quintessential mentor of most OCs. He is second to none… even today. It is me WHO choose to wholeheartedly recommend that you go on his website and purchase EVERYTHING you can and put it in practice over and over and over again. WHO knows, it is you WHO perhaps will even follow his footsteps and contribute to the TRANSFORMATION of your own life, the life of the world and of life itself!

            Carry on. ADIO. 😉

          • David Suskin 09/11/2014, 2:05 pm:

            Claude,
            Yes, that is true, I did say COMMUNICATION, in reference to
            coordination.
            I have the Reggie cassettes (Where is my cassette player :), on Chiropractic Philosophy. (33 principles??) – I’ll go to his site and check.
            This ‘becoming AWAKE to their CALL with PASSION.’ You speak of.
            That is why I’m on THIS blog. And keep at it NOW (reading, etc.)
            I step on my own foot, constantly.
            Maybe I haven’t put the time in.
            I AM CONFLICTED. and at least Now I know that THAT is a GOOD thing. But it MUST resolve into what you say a ‘CALL with PASSION’,
            otherwise, I’ll never do.
            I’ve expressed my conflicts:
            That interface between physical and metaphysical,
            That assertiveness and accuracy of knowledge that I can express
            with conviction and eloquence and forthrightness.
            I am getting old(er) at this game, and sometimes all this UNLEARNING and RETRAINING and CEREBRAL activity, well, it becomes a quagmire, particularly at 6am in the morn when I have to reorient myself to the days events, get on track and focus on the agenda at hand. In spite of the things I don’t want to do, NOT BECOMING DISTRACTED from that PURPOSE, or BIGGER IDEA that for whatever the reason, I Question, and IT QUESTIONS ME!
            ANYWAY MY FRIEND
            As always, I thank you, and will check out Reggies site and info.
            SLIPPING AND CHECKING IS A PAINFUL AND ONGOING PROCESS, at least that’s what I experience. But I know it’s better than just SLIPPING and falling into the MIXING ABYSS. Been there, done that. It doesn’t Work!
            Dave

  19. David Suskin 09/10/2014, 7:56 pm:

    Steve
    I will but I’ve shied from Reggie’s book only because I’ve heard his talks, his lectures named ~the chemistry of life and while I certainly respected Reggie and his contributions, the lay language which he uses, making references to the nervous system controlling chemistry, etc. is NOT philosophy. But I could be totally wrong and my judgment might be foolish and premature. Also. I have you guys. I’m sure you can philosophically and logically answer my questions just fine. But I will take you up on your suggestion.

  20. David Suskin 09/11/2014, 11:18 am:

    Claude,
    Just a request, not a commandment 😉
    Please respond to posts (see below)
    Steve responded and told me to read Reggie’s chemistry of life.
    To me doesn’t really my question, philosophically, 33 principles.
    Steve, as I said, we fight mechanistic explanations of innate forces, and me thinks that Reggie avoids the whole subject in his lay lecture, which might get thru to the pm or the Lay, but not to me, an NTOSC

    David Suskin 09/10/2014, 1:42 pm:
    David Suskin 09/10/2014, 5:11 pm:

    • Claude Lessard 09/11/2014, 6:51 pm:

      Steve,

      I gave you my answer. LET GO of WHAT you know. It gets in your way. Build a NEW container to receive the NEW information. Your OLD container is failing. Or if your prefer, you need a NEW operating system (may be a 10.9.4 🙂 with NEW processors and applications ;-)) HOW do YOU do that you may ask? Get EVERYTHING from Reggie’s website (CDs, DVDs, Charts, Posters, etc..) and I mean EVERYTHING! Assimilate ALL of it! Look for the NEW! Don’t look if the information agrees or disagrees with what YOU think. Put EVERYTHING that YOU get into practice. ACT AS IF! You CANNOT think yourself into a NEW way of practicing. You can ONLY practice into a NEW way of thinking. That takes guts and it hurts a lot! ACT AS IF! “Get the BIG idea (not the details) and the rest will follow”. That’s HOW it’s done and that’s HOW many of our predecessors did it, including DD, BJ, Reggie, Strauss, Joe D and including myself (40 years). “DO WHAT IS RIGHT, NOT EXPEDIENT AND WASH YOUR MIND OF ALL COMPROMISE.” –

      – CARRY ON. ADIO. 😉

      • Claude Lessard 09/12/2014, 1:38 pm:

        My apologies to you Steve. My last post was directed to David. Sorry.

        • David Suskin 09/12/2014, 3:13 pm:

          ~I’m honored~

    • Tom 09/15/2014, 9:09 pm:

      David,

      Reggie’s Chemistry of Life is simply an introduction to chiropractic, it is not a philosophy lesson. His feeling was that too many chiropractors try to shove/share the entire philosophy down a new persons throat on the first visit leaving him/her with crossed eyes and totally confused. Reggie was the master at keeping the message simple and the first visit was no exception. For a more in depth look at Reggie’s explanation of the philosophy read his Triune of Life thesis that he wrote. This was written back in the 60’s so it still has a tinge of TSC to it. I’ve been working on an update to it (and need to get back on that) from an OSC point of view.

  21. Steve 09/12/2014, 2:39 pm:

    That’s ok Claude, us seekers all look alike eh?

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