A Readers Question #1

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“Dr. Joe
I was reading in your book,Chiropractic Philosophy, that it is the Innate Intelligence that ultimately makes the adjustment. How does it come to pass that the appropriate force introduced by the chiropractor enables the innate intelligence to correct the subluxation? Is there a secondary Movement or impulse that takes place subsequent to the physical force that we can empirically see and feel?”
Good question Eric! The innate intelligence of the PM/Pt’s body is continually creating innate forces out of UF to try to correct the VS. More often than not it is successful When it is not we introduce a UF, which the innate intelligence being everywhere in the body, is able to “invest with new character” at the site of the VS(bypassing the interference) and add it to the IF already created but not getting through due to the VS and it makes the adjustment. This is a good deductive proof as to why the ii of the body is not located in the brain.

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  1. Steve 12/03/2014, 9:57 pm:

    How does II “move/place” the bone Joe. Does it use muscles, without the brain? If it does not need the nerve system but just the local muscle then your conclusion (ii everywhere) makes sense and completely overturns the normal complete cycle.
    On the other hand if the EIF is sensed by the local tissue and a vibration is transmitted to the brain for recognition, valuation and an adaptive response is created to be transmitted back to the local tissues to navigate the bone precisely into place, your conclusion may be faulty.

    • Claude Lessard 12/05/2014, 12:18 pm:

      Steve,

      Remember the cause of VS? When VS occurs, it is due to LOM, causing a reaction of forces that becomes out of balance as the external invasive forces overcome the internal resistive forces of the body (mechanicals/joints, physiologicals/muscles, electro/chemicals/impulses, etc…). External invasive forces, very rarely strike the vertebra that causes VS. It is the unbalanced reaction of the overcomed resistive force that causes VS. Similarly, when a vertebral adjustment is produced by innate intelligence, it is WITHIN the VERTEMERE cycle that the reaction to the internal resistive forces have been catalyzed by the EUF of the specific intentional adjustic thrust of the chiropractor (or any EUF for that matter). This reaction to the internal resistance of the body joins the adjustic thrust which has become the external catalyst for innate intelligence to produce the vertebral adjustment. In other words, innate intelligence is ALWAYS adapting universal forces AND e/matter, as it is its ONLY function (pri23) which is ALWAYS normal (pri27) within the LOM (pri24). πŸ˜‰

      • Steve 12/05/2014, 3:07 pm:

        Sir Claudious,
        That the EIFs rarely strike the vertebra directly and it is an “awkward” concussion of forces (EIF/IRF) that produces the subluxation seems logical and correct. How do you justify that the correction involves only the vertemere, again discounting the normal complete cycle. It was my understanding that every adaptation occurring in the human body was controlled or initiated by the NCC.

        • Claude Lessard 12/05/2014, 7:49 pm:

          Steve,

          Note that innate intelligence is METAphysical. As such innate intelligence is EVERYWHERE in the body. The innate brain is also METAphysical and is WHEREVER the innate intelligence of the body is. For this reason, the physical brain cell does not appear until the fifth step in NCC. For the third and fourth step to take place, innate intelligence uses the METAphysical innate brain for its activity. When the “thought” is created and assembled in the innate brain, some of innate intelligence’s creation is sent from the innate brain to the physical brain cell, which is step five for COORDINATION OF ACTIONS (pri23 and 32) according to LOM (pri24). Some of innate’s creation is for the specific adaption of e/matter FOR USE IN THE BODY in order to maintain it in ACTIVE organization, which means to maintain it maintain it alive, (pri21 and 23) within the limits of adaptation (pri24). This interface takes place after step four and before step five, otherwise, any cells of the body, including the physical brain cell of step five, would not be maintained in active organization and would be dead. That is WHY innate intelligence does not need a physical brain cell to keep a heart, a kidney, or a liver in ACTIVE organization, meaning alive, from NYC to LA for transplant purposes. The same can be said for living things without a nerve system. Yet, even living things without a nerve system do need a METAphysical innate “workshop” for the activity of innate intelligence to occur. – πŸ˜‰

          – This by the way does NOT “completely overturns the normal complete cycle” as you mentioned previously”…

          • David Suskin 12/05/2014, 8:31 pm:

            Which aspect of innate forces – adaptation of uf’s to allow coordinated action of mutual benefit – p23 p 32, or active organization p21, does a subluxation act as an interference to?
            Innate Intelligence might not need a physical brain cell to keep a heart, a kidney, or a liver in ACTIVE organization, BUT for how long? As long as the environment provides the proper channels for the signs of life (assimilation, excretion)?
            Does the Physical Nerve, enter the Active Organization transmission vehicle for II? Or is the Innate force thru nerves purely for Coordination, which in the end might effect adaptation of universal forces which will allow for active organization or desconstruction?
            Claude, Your Vertemere environment that you described where the subluxation exists and where the adjustment exists was very logical.
            But I and I’d assume many others do get confused? or delogicalized when physical brain and innate brain and metabrain and spinal cord at the level of the subluxation, all get into the mix of what, why, where, how of subluxation vs the Normalcy of the Triune manifesting optimally, maximally in Living Beings.
            I’m not as confused as I might sound πŸ˜‰

          • Steve 12/08/2014, 6:28 pm:

            EFFERENT AFFERENT
            1. Universal Intelligence 1. Coordination.
            2. Innate Intelligence. 2. Tissue Cell.
            3. Mental (Realm) 3. Vibration.
            4. Creation. 4. Impression (of vibrations).
            5. Brain Cell. 5. Afferent Nerve.
            6. Transformation. 6. Transmission.
            7. Mental Impulse. 7. Brain Cell.
            8. Propulsion. 8. Reception.
            9. Efferent Nerve. 9. Mental (Realm).
            10. Transmission. 10. Interpretation.
            11. Tissue Cell. 11. Sensation.
            12. Reception. 12. Ideation.
            13. Physical Personification. 13. Innate Intelligence.
            14. Expression. 14. Intellectual Adaptation.
            15. Function. 15. Universal Intelligence.
            16. Coordination.

            In the traditional (afferent) model the transformation from physical to metaphysical takes place in the brain, not in the “impact” receiving tissue. The amount of innate intelligence at the cellular level cannot conceptualize the needs of the body, for it’s ii is only sufficient for the cell individually (cellfish). Right?

  2. Claude Lessard 12/05/2014, 9:58 pm:

    David,

    – 1- VS interferes with TRANSMISSION of innate forces ONLY. (pri29). –

    – 2- The physical nerve is TRANSMITTING matter for COORDINATION OF ACTION (pri23, 28, 29, and 32). Look at the innate intelligence of a mushroom keeping it in ACTIVE organization without a physical nerve.

    – 3- Concepts ARE just pointers as was mentioned in previous posts. Concepts are NOT real… they’re ONLY for attempting to understand that which is way beyond our educated brain. They are parts of theories which may have veracity based on rational logic and deductive reasoning from the major premise (pri1).

  3. Steve 12/05/2014, 10:56 pm:

    No, you plugged in the NCC to explain it this time. This explanation includes much more than the vertemere. Cellular innate does maintain the “heart” but without the “bodies” innate intelligence the heart will not be coordinated for the good of the whole unit. I am thinking that without the NCC (ii of the body) the adjustive thrust would not be adapted for the spine and the rest of the body.

    • Claude Lessard 12/06/2014, 2:27 am:

      Steve,

      I know. I did that to show you that the NCC includes the vertemere cycle. Notice that VS remains within the vertemere cycle. Therefore, between step four and five of the NCC, something happens to keep ALL the cells of the body in ACTIVE organization, meaning alive. Coordination of action of ALL the parts of the body is NOT necessary to keep the cells in ACTIVE organization as you saw in the transplant example. WHAT is happening is that resultant unbalanced resistance of the body is within the vertemere cycle and remains there. The adjustive thrust (or any EUF for that matter) becomes the catalyst joining the ALREADY existing adapted universal forces AND e/matter for innate intelligence to produce the vertebral adjustment… without any TRANSMISSION whatsoever, since TRANSMISSION of innate forces is interfered with at the first place (pri29) due to LOM (pri24) causing a reaction of forces that becomes out of balance as the external invasive forces overcome the internal resistive forces of the body (mechanicals/joints, physiologicals/muscles, electro/chemicals/impulses, etc…). –

      – I understand where YOU are coming from, Steve, and believe me when I say that it is difficult to let go of the “known” and plunge into the “unknown”. Yet, it is the ONLY way that conflicts clarify. I don’t like it anymore than you do. From WHAT is to be seen in a visionary way, NOT one word of the 33 principles need to be changed. It is the genius of RWS, DD and BJ and we owe them EVERYTHING we stand on. It is a solid foundational platform on which chiropractic is built. ALL of us have to let go of the BIG FELLOW upstairs and the little fellow downstairs. Antropomorphism is dead to chiropractic… innate is NOT “she” and there is NO “we” as BJ so fondly referred… in his MANY writings. It was sentimental for the day and was needed then. Not now! Same thing with theomorphism… universal intelligence is NOT a deity and is NOT the source of creation as DD so adamantly proclaim. It was an interpretation for the day and was needed then. Not now! We are dealing with the law of organization and the law of ACTIVE organization. LAW is WHAT emerges as a result of 120 years of scrutiny which makes chiropractic SEPARATE and DISTINCT of EVERYTHING ELSE and INCLUSIVE of EVERYONE regardless of creed, culture, age, political orientation, gender or health status. –

      – This is much BIGGER than getting the sick well or being accepted by the medical profession. It is about the full expression of the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the body. We have got a whole lot of work to do. Carry on. ADIO!

      • David Suskin 12/06/2014, 2:59 am:

        Claude,
        The law of active organization happens as a result of ii being united with innate matter by innate force. That is the triune of life as it applies to living things.
        Subluxation interferes with innate force therefore active organization is effected by subluxation.
        Yet you define subluxation as an incoordination of all body parts that has nothing to do with active organization.
        My name is not Steve, it’s David. I am the WHO requesting a reaction from you Sir Claudius, without condemnation and within ADIO worldview πŸ˜‰

  4. David Suskin 12/05/2014, 10:59 pm:

    Claude,
    1. OK
    2. If transmitting matter is interfered with, understood as a degradation of a mental impulse into just a nerve impulse, causing incoordination of action, will this have bearing on the mission of innate intelligence p21?
    If not then dis-ease has nothing to do with p21. If so, then it does. (My assumption).
    Or what does the incoordination of action translate to.?
    Yes, the objective of chiropractic is LACVS for a full expression of innate intelligence, considering the LOM and Time, but this bear any effect on active organization of the, in this case, vertebrate human being?
    3. This is a very um, astute or interesting state of mind or reality to consider. It speaks to your WHO that you always reference, at least to me. That WHO, Me! You! Everyone are experiencing perceiving intelligent complexities we call living human beings. We have definitions that point, but perhaps things like poetry and relationship and art and music and expression help to create fields of awareness of things we can only WANDER through, perhaps touching, perhaps not.
    It’s good to understand this and our abilities to make CHOICES, and to know that there is a WHO standing behind this.
    Who are WE?

    • Claude Lessard 12/06/2014, 2:59 am:

      David,

      ACTIVE organization is the mission of innate intelligence ((pri21) and is dependent on LOM (pri24). Since VS further increases LOM, interference with the TRANSMITTING matter will indeed decode the mental impulse (innate force which is constructive toward structural e/matter) into a nerve impulse (universal force which is deconstructive toward structural e/matter), the answer is yes… ultimately, it will have a bearing on the length of time of the material of the “living thing” to be kept in ACTIVE organization (alive). HOWEVER, coordination of action is NOT needed for the material of the body of a “living thing” to be maintained in ACTIVE organization (alive). It may be in a state of incoordination of action and be alive. Right now, I am alive and I had my spine checked last Tuesday. Today, I have interference within my TRANSMITTING matter which results in INCOORDINATION OF ACTION of the parts of my body… yet the material of my body is maintained alive (in ACTIVE organization). The interference with my TRANSMITTING MATTER scraps the mutual benefit of the parts of my body, yet I live! –

      – “Who are WE?” is the question! It is ALWAYS about the WHO! Carry on. ADIO. πŸ˜‰

  5. David Suskin 12/06/2014, 3:13 am:

    Claude,
    Texting at the same time. Appreciate your quick reply.
    Got It.
    If you care to bear your air
    on more which is there
    of which I’m unaware…
    I await without condemnation or dare. πŸ™‚

  6. Claude Lessard 12/10/2014, 12:44 pm:

    Steve,

    The last step you posted was “16. Coordination.” It is indeed for coordination of action for all parts of the body for mutual benefit (pri23 and 32). To be in ACTIVE organization, is to be alive (pri21), which means to express at least one sign of life (pri18). An organ that does not have coordination of actions due to VS is still alive in the body which means that it still has ACTIVE organization. For example, if a person has a nephrectomy, that person is still alive with only one kidney. The removed kidney that is thrown in the trash bag is dead which means it is not in ACTIVE organization. Yet, if that kidney was removed for transplant, it will remain in ACTIVE organization (alive). If the operation is successful, the transplanted kidney will remain alive (in active organization) in the body of the receiving person. However, do you think that the transplanted kidney into a different person will have coordination of actions for mutual benefit to the body of that receiving person? How about the donor’s body? It is still in ACTIVE organization (alive)… yet, can you say that ALL the parts of the donor’s body have coordination of actions for mutual benefit (pri23) when a kidney is missing and that there is no VS present? If there is no VS present, there is no interference within the TRANSMITTING matter (nerve system), thus no lack of EASE of the TRANSMITTING matter (DIS-EASE). Would this imply that there would be coordination of actions of ALL the parts of the donor’s body that are left? –

    – This points to the fact that ACTIVE organization (being alive… evidencing at least one sign of life) and COORDINATION OF ACTIONS (full expression of the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the BODY) are two separate and distinct concepts. ACTIVE organization deals with the material of the body of a “living thing” to be maintained alive (pri21) with its systems coordinated (no VS present) or not coordinated (with VS present). COORDINATION OF ACTIONS deal with all the parts of the body for MUTUAL benefit (pri23) to fulfill their offices and purposes (pri32). This can ONLY happens without VS, Thus your “raison d’Γͺtre” which is to practice the chiropractic objective. πŸ˜‰

  7. David Suskin 12/10/2014, 2:46 pm:

    Claude,
    Doesn’t P23. The Function of Innate Intelligence – The function of Innate Intelligence is to adapt universal forces and matter for use in the body, so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit. MEAN that
    1. it’s the Adaptation of Universal forces and matter that allows for co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.
    This means that NO Adaptation (as in the presence of VS), allows for the deconstructive nature of universal forces to be at cause for the the dis-coordination.
    It’s the failure to convert universal force to innate force which is allowed for by an intact Mental Impulse from innate intelligence to Tissue Cell.
    It is NOT the in-coordination of body systems, organs, cells, because of the failure or distortion of the intention of a nerve impulse (aka, fascilitation, nerve impulse degradation, etc.)!!!!!
    IT IS A METAPHYSICAL (CODE, INNATE INTELLIGENCE, INNATE FORCE) – LACK OF OR REMOVAL, causing universal forces to BE UNADAPTED, thus causing discoordination and the results thereof.
    Correct?

    • Claude Lessard 12/10/2014, 7:53 pm:

      David,

      You posted: “IT IS A METAPHYSICAL (CODE, INNATE INTELLIGENCE, INNATE FORCE) – LACK OF OR REMOVAL, causing universal forces to BE UNADAPTED, thus causing discoordination and the results thereof.” This is true that VS causes change in EASE (lack of ease, DIS-EASE) within the TRANSMITTING matter, within the vertemere cycle, which interferes the TRANSMISSION of the coded mental impulse with intelligent direction (IF) which is constructive toward structural matter, reverting it back to a non-coded nerve impulse without intelligent direction (UF) which is deconstructive toward structural matte (pri.26)r. This interference with innate forces will be manifested as INCOORDINATION OF ACTIONS of the parts of the body that are involved pri.23 and 32). Those parts of the body that are have uncoordinated activities will continue to be kept in ACTIVE organization (alive) by the innate intelligence of those parts which will adapt the non-coded nerve impulse (UF) which is deconstructive into a coded mental impulse (IF) for the benefit of the part ONLY (pri21). At that point, that part is kept alive within the LOM of that part (pri24). VS has increased the limitation of e/matter that part and the innate intelligence of that part will work accordingly until the matter of that part expire… which if it is the pancreas of the liver for example, that part will die and also the whole body will die. If it is an eye or only one kidney that is involved, that part will die and the whole body will remain alive, even though the death of those parts also increases the limitation of e/matter of those parts. It depends on the total “amount” of limitation of e/matter (pri24) –

      – In other words, the INCOORDINATION OF ACTIONS of ANY parts of the body will contribute to increasing the “baseline” LOM of the body. This is due to VS increasing the LOM of the TRANSMITTING matter. It all goes back principle #31. That’s it is we WHO choose to practice the chiropractic objective. πŸ˜‰ –

      – Do you see the distinction between the concepts of ACTIVE organization and COORDINATION OF ACTION and their relationships?

      • David Suskin 12/10/2014, 8:31 pm:

        Claude,
        I see the distinction and thus understand the difference between the definitions:Mission & Function.
        My mistake was interpreting function at the level of the nerve (eg. nerves coordinating, nerve function, etc. ) NOT the level of the Mental Impulse (mental impulse adapting universal forces so that parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit. (And I understand parts to mean ALL organic matter, from cells, to organs, to chemistries, to molecules, to systems, to Whatever constitutes Living Organic Tissue which encompasses matter and of course the supportive triune elements (intelligence and force), at the atomic level (existence), and living level (active organization).
        I am curious about Steve’s rebuttal to you concerning cellfish, innate intelligence, cycles and vertemeres.

        Thank You Claude! πŸ˜‰

  8. Steve 12/10/2014, 3:16 pm:

    Your dancing again my friend. We were discussing the ability of a vertemere to correct with cellular intelligence or local innate intelligence vs the innate intelligence that coordinates ALL activity in the human body. The correction of a subluxation is not the response of the “vertemere”, in the vertemere, for the vertemere.

    • Claude Lessard 12/11/2014, 1:52 pm:

      Steve,

      The cause of VS is an external invasive force overcoming the internal resistance of the body. When VS occurs, it is due to LOM, causing a reaction of forces that becomes out of balance as the external invasive forces overcome the internal resistive forces of the body. I posted before that external invasive forces, very rarely strike the vertebra that causes VS. It is the UNBALANCED REACTION of the overcomed resistive force that causes VS and it occurs WITHIN the VERTEMERE cycle. In other words, when the normal resistance of the body is unbalanced, VS happens. Thus, interference with TRANSMISSION of innate forces effects with BOTH cycles. Yet the place of occurrence is within the VERTEMERE, since that’s WHERE the VS is located (pri.31). This causes the tissue cell of the TRANSMITTING matter of the vertemere to be lacking EASE and thus interferes with TRANSMISSION of the mental impulse (IF) de-coding it into a nerve impulse (UF) which will bring about INCOORDINATION OF ACTION at the receiving involved part of the body. Note that VS will remain UNTIL the UNBALANCED resistance is once again balanced by innate intelligence that will adapt an external universal force (educated or not) and will join the already existing “pool” of resistive forces of the body’s resistance. Therefore, when a vertebral adjustment is produced by INNATE INTELLIGENCE, it is WITHIN the VERTEMERE cycle that the reaction to the internal resistive forces have been catalyzed by the EUF of the specific intentional adjustic thrust of the chiropractor (or any UF for that matter). This reaction to the internal resistance of the body joins the adjustic thrust which has become the external catalyst for innate intelligence to produce the vertebral adjustment. In other words, innate intelligence is ALWAYS adapting universal forces AND e/matter, as it is its ONLY function (pri23) which is ALWAYS normal (pri27) within the LOM (pri24). –

      – That is WHY our “job” stops at the adjustic thrust, until the next spinal check visit of the PM, since it will join the ALREADY existing “pool” of forces at the disposal of innate intelligence to produce the vertebral adjustment ANY time until that next visit. When the vertebral adjustment which occurs within the vertemere cycle takes place, the TRANSMISSION of BOTH cycles is restored since there is no more VS.

      • Claude Lessard 12/11/2014, 2:56 pm:

        … of course, for you to SEE that, you will have to stop confining the METAphysical innate intelligence of the body only to the physical brain. πŸ˜‰

        • Steve 12/12/2014, 6:13 pm:

          Claude,
          If I remember correctly, the cause of a subluxation is an imbalance of forces. EIF>IRF or IRF>EIF. According to research by/at Palmer, either direction of imbalance could cause subluxations.
          Being metaphysical, innate intelligence is everywhere/nowhere. We realize it’s existence in living matter. It would make sense to say that innate intelligence is EXPRESSED throughout the body, to all areas supplied by nerves (Pri.28). Yet it is not contained within the body. Just as we can say gravity is expressed throughout the body, but we don’t think of gravity as being IN the body. As we have discussed previously, the physical brain is the organ used by innate intelligence to control and coordinate all parts of the body.
          Your assumption that the subluxation occurs only within the vertemere does not justify the arbitrary conclusion that correction is contained to a segmental division of the spine/body. If we were to disconnect the vertemere from the brain there would be no correction. Therefore, it does not make logical sense to say the intelligence expressed within the vertemere can coordinate it’s own correction, even with the additional help of “any UF”
          Please be more specific when you say “any UF” can be added to IF to promote a correction. Obviously there is a threshold needed to overcome the mechanical locking (LOM) innate intelligence could not exceed to correct the subluxation on it’s own.

          • Claude 12/12/2014, 10:21 pm:

            Steve,

            Please re-read what you just posted. Your educated limiting innate intelligence. No wonder, that to you, it does not make logical sense. –

            – It is true that ANY UF can be joined to the ALREADY existing “pool” of IF. Turning in bed, coughing, etc… remember “A slip on a snowy sidewalk”? How can there be a “mechanical licking” when VS is continually in flux through cellular replacement at the rate of 500,000,000/day?

          • Steve 12/12/2014, 11:11 pm:

            It is not the subluxation that is in flux it is the matter that transitions, the tissue turning over does not clear the subluxation. If it did there would be no need for chiropractors. Some subluxations last for years.
            “Any UF”, like sunlight or a tickle with a feather, c’mon Claude.

          • David Suskin 12/12/2014, 11:28 pm:

            Claude,
            If someone has a quadrapalegic condition, is the vertemere effected with an alteration of innate intelligence being limited to create IRFs locally, at each spinal level, and is there an effect on ii being able to transmit innate forces within a mental impulse to those tissue cells that are in flux in their cellular replacement, putting aside the LOM that the gross physiological malfunction effects that quadrapalegia might cause?
            I’m trying to engage Steve’s question as I understand, I think, his inquiry into the workings of the vertemere cycle and it’s relationship to VS, innate intelligence, innate brain and the references to physical and theoretical manefistations of the immaterial metaphysical processes.

          • Claude 12/12/2014, 11:56 pm:

            Steve,

            According to the AUTHORITY of the 33 principles of chiropractic’s basic science subluxations are in the spina column (pri31). That’s WHY it is called VERTEBRAL subluxation and is WITHIN the vertemere causing an abnormal vertemere cycle as well as an abnormal normal complete cycle.

  9. David Suskin 12/11/2014, 5:22 pm:

    As it’s been stated,
    VS is caused by physical (eg. trauma or unadapted physical forces, etc.), chemical (eg. toxins, or unadapted chemistries, etc.) or autosuggestion (eg. educated ‘run a muck’, mental stress, etc.), so how do all of these universal forces Map into the imbalance of
    EUF’s exceeding IRF’s within the Vertemere and/or the NCC
    OR
    Perhaps THIS Topic within a specific analysis is TOO COMPLEX!
    We know, by deduction that a failure of p23 due to LOM leads to p31 (Subluxation). The hows and whys are huge when it comes to the origins of the Direct Causing and Influencing Factors of VS.
    But I thought I’d put this out there, because of those 3 causes of VS being a historical fact, I wanted see if it still applies within the OSC Lexicon in 2014?

    • Claude Lessard 12/11/2014, 6:59 pm:

      David,

      There is only ONE cause of VS. It is an external invasive force overcoming an internal resistive force. Nothing else! –

      – That’s HOW the UNBALANCED REACTION of the overcomed resistive force causes VS and it occurs WITHIN the VERTEMERE cycle. Same is true WHEN innate intelligence adapts the adjustic thrust and produce a vertebral adjustment. It it is WITHIN the VERTEMERE cycle that the reaction to the internal resistive forces have been catalyzed by the Educated UniversaL Force of the specific intentional adjustic thrust of the chiropractor (or any UF for that matter). This reaction to the internal resistance of the body joins the adjustic thrust which has become the external catalyst for innate intelligence to produce the vertebral adjustment. In other words, innate intelligence is ALWAYS adapting universal forces AND e/matter, as it is its ONLY function (pri23) which is ALWAYS normal (pri27) within the LOM (pri24). –

  10. David Suskin 12/11/2014, 7:18 pm:

    Claude,
    is the external invasive force a universal force and that which it overcomes is an internal resistive force which is an innate force, therefore it’s a failure to adapt a universal force due to LOM, being that innate intelligence is always normal and since ii and iforce is always 100%, therefore innate forces are always normal.
    The failure to adapt is manifested by a persistence of a universal force within a living thing, all within a LOM.
    I guess at some micro to macro level, all forces that are toxic, that are not adapted to, and remain universal forces.
    Depending of LOM, those forces will either manifest in VS, OR if not will be part of the LOM that Innate intelligence and it’s forces will have to adapt as best as possible, to maintain active organization, within LOM and limitations of Time.

    • Claude 12/11/2014, 7:37 pm:

      David,

      You are correct when you post the ALL universal forces are deconstructing towards structural e/matter (pri26). If unadapted by innate intelligence these UF will ALWAYS be deconstructive towards structural e/matter and will further increase LOM.

      • David Suskin 12/11/2014, 8:07 pm:

        Claude, Joe, Steve, Oc’ers
        I’m learning.
        Let’s take an example of an entity, a spur. In one aspect it’s adaptive of instability or over use, etc., therefore it is the consequence of successful adaptation of uf into iforce. However, the ill effects of it are a product of it Not being adapted. Those components are non adaptive to universal forces, therefore the success of a joint spur might have mixed components. Some of them being successful ii adapting uforces, a part being the LOM causing a persistence of universal force that could be a further LOM to adapt to.
        This could be applied to plaque (on teeth), fibrosis and scar tissue, atherosclerotic plaques in arteries, high cholesterols and tryglicerides, high blood pressure, etc. etc.
        Maybe I’m carrying this to far.
        But I’m looking for something that can attribute the good from ii and the bad from failure to adapt and persistence of uniforces that act as a LOM, but SIMULTANEOUSLY, which in living forms seems to happen ALL THE TIME. things that are good for us, are also bad for us. When things become immoderate, their shows signs of entities that are both adaptive and maladaptive. Yes/No
        Perhaps you Claude or Joe or Steve can delve further into this, without condemnation of my inquiry . Perhaps not πŸ˜‰

  11. Claude Lessard 12/13/2014, 11:31 am:

    Steve,

    You posted: “It is not the subluxation that is in flux it is the matter that transitions, the tissue turning over does not clear the subluxation.” What is VS made of? Remember its definition.. A VERTEBRA… IS a transitioning tissue… is it not? Cellular replacement occurs due to UF being adapted by innate intelligence. Therefore those innate forces that are used for cellular replacement can be joined by ANY UF and innate intelligence sometimes does produce a vertebral adjustment. Even rest is used by innate intelligence to produce vertebral adjustments. Yes, Steve, ANY UF! Even if your educated intelligence cannot wrap your educated brain around it! πŸ˜‰

  12. Claude Lessard 12/13/2014, 11:55 am:

    David,

    Several years ago, a patient became a quadriplegic from a diving injury when he hit a rock at the bottom of the river. A couple years later his injury, he returned to be checked. He had VS and I did introduce adjustic thrusts over the course of several months until he moved away. As far as I know he is still quadriplegic. –

    – Another patient was born with CP and is quadriplegic also. He began care with me when he was 2 months old. Jake is now 18 years old and is still under care and still has CP with quadriplegia. –

    – The reason I am sharing these two stories, is that it does NOT matter one bit WHAT condition the e/matter of the PMs is. It is me WHO choose to check their spines. If VS is present, it is me WHO perform an adjustic thrust with the intent that the educated universal force that I introduce into the PM’s spine will be adapted by innate intelligence and will join the ALREADY existing “pool” of IF. Then perhaps, my adjustic thrust will be a contribution to the vertebral adjustment produced by innate intelligence. The vertemere cycle is ALWAYS abnormal when there is the presence of VS and so is the normal complete cycle. In the absence of VS, both cycles are restored. Remember that the vertemere is the cycle from METAphysical innate brain, which is WHEREVER innate intelligence is, to the tissue, holding the vertebra in position within LOM.

  13. David Suskin 12/13/2014, 2:13 pm:

    Claude,
    First I’d like to thank you for staying involved with this blog, while it would seem things are rather quiet these days at least and the dialog, these dialogs mean ever so much to me, particularly from you Claude. I appreciate your continued input and dedication. πŸ˜‰
    This young man Jake. You have and have had an objective, a chiropractic objective. I am curious as to what his objective is and professionally on the Material/Matter sense, how has His innate intelligence manifested more fully.
    Ive noticed in your replies, that you are shifting your emphasis shall i say, to a kind of ‘Innate Bank’ reference. No matter what, ii is always doing its job dealing with LOMs and in any application, if ii can use a universal force, whether by thrust or accident, by physical force or chemical or psychological force, if ii can use them, it will!
    Seemingly i would call it p33.? Yes/no
    If one understands the 33, then one can officiate it personally, as The Authority and therefore if desired by the WHO, can basically explain all that is chiropractic as basically (perhaps), p1 p24 and p33. Thats it!
    The rest is implicit.
    Also I’ve been reading Contemporary Chiropractic Philosophy by Koch, with Joes recommendation (not complete agreement with, but thats not my focus).
    He presents RWSs principles with some very interesting revisions, ordering and wording, which presents i’ll say, a scholarly and philosophical analysis that is a welcomed read at least. Im sure you’ve read it. Whats your take Man! (Showing my age and perhaps compatriot liberty) πŸ™‚

  14. Don 12/13/2014, 7:09 pm:

    Sorry for coming into this thread late.
    I’ve read the comments above. Interesting discussion.
    One side of the discussion stated that regardless of source all UF’s accumulate in a pool of UF’s.
    The other side is of the opinion that not all UF’s are the same.

    Interesting analogy I read not too long ago about baseball. (I try to match my analogies to my audience. Joe I hope you are reading…;)

    You’re on a baseball field during batting practice. You seem to be doing well today.
    Then all the lights go out and you and pitcher are in complete darkness. Instead of stopping you and the pitcher decide to continue.
    You hear the crack of the bat with each swing for the next 5 swings.
    Question: Would you say that the batter is successful? What is success to you?

    If that analogy doesn’t work for you here is another:

    A person steps off a sidewalk curb and hears a loud “pop” in their neck. Immediately after sound they place their hand on their neck and say, “OH no! it’s out again”.
    They visit their “provider”. (Note: preservation of neutral language here πŸ˜‰ )

    The provider offers a force to the neck of the person.
    The person hears a loud “pop”. After the noise, sh/he immediately stands up and says, “Oh yes! it’s in again”.

    Questions: What is this person using to determine success?
    What is success to you? What is it to them?

    I’ve got another one but no time now.

  15. Don 12/14/2014, 6:50 pm:

    It was moving day and three people are helping a friend move some items. One box remained. One person tried to pick it up.
    The box did not move despite a valiant effort.
    The person, exhausted by the effort exclaimed, “IT”S too heavy!”

    Then another person tried, again, they repeated the same motions and said, “It’s too heavy.”

    A third person then walked over and tried. The box did not move but this time as he sat down he reflected on what the other two people said and lamented, “I thought the box was too heavy also but I was wrong. “IT” isn’t too heavy. It is that I am not strong enough to lift that box or at very least, it is to heavy “for me”.”
    Perspective is everything.

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