Universal Intelligence, God, and Idolatry


Is calling the Major Premise “God,” worshiping the creature/creation rather than the Creator, or at the least setting up an idol?

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  1. len Edwards 10/11/2017, 3:00 pm:

    none of the above

    • Joe Strauss 10/12/2017, 11:34 am:

      It is not important what we say, what is important is what people perceive. If they perceive that universal intelligence is God or that chiropractic gets sick people well, we have failed. In the former it is blasphemy, in the latter it is the practice (objective) of medicine.

  2. Bryson Langel 10/13/2017, 3:16 pm:

    Universal intelligence is not God because UI is subject to universal laws whereas God is not subject to laws that exist in the physical realm.. Do universal laws exist in the non-physical (spiritual) realm? If God has no body, how could God be subject to laws that exist in the physical realm. By “physical” I’m thinking atomic/molecular and all of the smallest particles that make up everything in our (physical) universe. IMO, we cannot even begin to comprehend an understanding of the makeup of God. I, personally, find it hard to comprehend eternity.

  3. Bryan Fall 10/15/2017, 7:23 pm:

    At least if talking about the God of the Bible, He has a personal relationship with mankind (both Old and New Testaments). Whereas Universal Intelligence is an IMpersonal force.
    All forces and matter and energy are created or designed entities. Therefore referring to universal intelligence as “God” is exalting the creation over the Creator.
    It is unnecessary, AND it is distracting.

    • Joe Strauss 10/16/2017, 3:16 pm:

      Apparently it is EQUATING as well as “unnecessary, AND it is distracting”. That is not glorifying to God who is so much more than we can equate with ui

      • Bryan 10/16/2017, 10:51 pm:

        “Both” in response to your question (in agreement with where I believe you stand).
        Ie Equating God with ui is “worshiping the creature/creation rather than the Creator” AND it is “setting up an idol.”
        I was also adding the thought that it is also unnecessary and distracting to equate God with ui.

  4. Matt Allen 10/17/2017, 11:21 pm:

    MP: A Universal Intelligence is in all matter and continually gives to it all its properties and actions, thus maintaining it in existence.
    Colossians 1:16b-17: All things were created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

    I don’t think that universal intelligence is God. But if it’s important what most people perceive, than I would think most Christians would perceive what ui is doing as what God does. It appears that DD and BJ believed that ui is God and most Christians that read the MP would think you could substitute God for ui in Principle 1. It seems that using Law of Organization instead ui may create less confusion.

    • Claude Lessard 10/18/2017, 1:48 am:

      YES Matt, universal intelligence IS the LAW of organization. As such it is IN universal e/matter… the same as the LAW of attraction of universal e/mattered is IN universal e/matter! These laws and many others can be observed and, through inductive reasoning, can be formulated as principles. –
      – Let me state it this way: A law of organization is IN all universal e/matter continually giving all its electrons, protons and neutrons their configurations and velocities, thus maintaining universal e/matter in existence. –

      – Stated as the MP is what you mentioned in your post. Bravo!

  5. Bryan Fall 10/18/2017, 4:45 pm:

    “I would think most Christians would perceive what ui is doing as what God does.”
    If you perceived this, then likely there are others that would as well. However, there is a sizeable percentage that would not. Look at the whole “intelligent design” vs creationism debate.
    Blair Benjamin from answersingenesis.or states the following: “In the minds of many people, intelligent design is just a trendy, new way to be a creationist. In reality, however, the prominent faces of the ID Movement are a group of credentialed scholars from a variety of religious backgrounds whose common denominators are rejecting naturalism and believing that aspects of living cells are too complex to have arisen by chance. The ID Movement does not align itself with any origins model and admittedly does not even offer an explanation of our origins. Its goal is primarily to challenge the idea that chance, random processes can explain the complexity evidenced in the universe and world around us.”
    This separation between creationist and intelligent design theorists is different than the topic at hand within chiropractic. However I believe it establishes very clear precedence for a separation between an intelligent force for organization (ui) and a Creator. It also clearly hearkens to Joe and Reggie’s arguments against ui being the Creator.
    Anticipating some may argue ui as a created organizing law is an EXTENSION of the Creator. However one can argue that all that exists is an extension of the Creator (“in Him we live and move and have our being…). However we would never argue that inertia or gravity is the Creator.
    “For instance, they might serve other gods or worship the sun, the moon, or any of the stars–the forces of heaven–which I have strictly forbidden.” Deut.17:3 NLT

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